whitewing09 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 The following makes me scratch my head: CTJ is the Texas band for visual demand and achievement Hebron is (by far) the Texas band for musical demand, achievement, and execution Vandy is the second band of music demand, achievement, and execution (like Hebron lacks in visual demand) How does CTJ beat Hebron in a music caption in 2017? How does Vandy score so high on viz that they medal at SA 2017? The discussions get really strange when you start looking at individual band success because they often contradict pretty general paradigms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1998-2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 "They ain't gonna rook us" is one of my favorite sports quotes ever! Nevertheless, this contest is shaping up to be all sorts of awesome! What's the message? Perform!!!! Exactly! Any other questions or concerns? The message remains the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justabandkid94 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 The following makes me scratch my head: CTJ is the Texas band for visual demand and achievement Hebron is (by far) the Texas band for musical demand, achievement, and execution Vandy is the second band of music demand, achievement, and execution (like Hebron lacks in visual demand) How does CTJ beat Hebron in a music caption in 2017? How does Vandy score so high on viz that they medal at SA 2017? The discussions get really strange when you start looking at individual band success because they often contradict pretty general paradigms.Question — are these observations based on scores, or comments people make thru the season? Understand that some are based on prior year scores but the others not so sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewing09 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Question — are these observations based on scores, or comments people make thru the season? Understand that some are based on prior year scores but the others not so sure I'd say they are generalizations that were especially true last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justabandkid94 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 I'd say they are generalizations that were especially true last year.Cool, just what I figured, but wanted to be sure. I think you could say the same about Hebron’s music programming as CTJ’s show design — it hides dirt well. Love Hebron and their shows. But, I’ve listened to many of them so much that you begin to realize that, despite the technicality, there still is some lacking execution. I think their San Antonio finals performance may have been a little more rough than usual, which may explain them not taking the W in music. Just my two cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob456 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1. Reagan 2. CTJ 3. Flower Mound 4. Hebron 5. Leander 6. Vandegrift 7. Vista Ridge 8. Woodlands 9. Keller 10. Bowie 11. Cedar Park 12. Marcus 13. Cedar Ridge 14. Seven Lakes Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1. Reagan 2. CTJ 3. Flower Mound 4. Hebron 5. Leander 6. Vandegrift 7. Vista Ridge 8. Woodlands 9. Keller 10. Bowie 11. Cedar Park 12. Marcus 13. Cedar Ridge 14. Seven Lakes Thoughts? Based on everything I’ve seen and heard, this is a pretty good prediction. The only thing is that a lot of bubble bands are on par with Seven Lakes so a multitude of different bands could take the last few spots. Bandwoww 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob456 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Based on everything I’ve seen and heard, this is a pretty good prediction. The only thing is that a lot of bubble bands are on par with Seven Lakes so a multitude of different bands could take the last few spots. I agree 7L Oak Ridge Hendrickson or Timber Creek could take that last spot i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Incorrect. This statement reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of judging. Seeding a competition is a time-honored tradition and history shows us past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. While it might be tempting to say this could become self reinforcing, all you have to do is watch the historic videos (and understand the judge's perspective) to see they generally get it right. It works. Any historic bias ends when the music starts. Your last sentence appears to reveal your own bias, or perhaps frustration, and completely fails Dawkins Razor. Unless you provide support, it can be dismissed without rebuttal even though there is amply evidence to the contrary. See above: Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Of course the judges know the history of the bands involved and they have some idea of what to expect. That's not bias, it's necessary competence. Nobody gets "rooked". If the new band is clearly better, it will be reflected in the scores. Keep in mind, "clearly better" and "just as good" are different standards to a judge and there is a long-standing tradition across subjective competitions that the challenger must make a statement. If this is what you mean by "bias" I will still disagree with you and strongly recommend you get used to it. Nobody backs into Finals. You did say they were biased, prejudicial, and unfair. Some level of backlash shouldn't surprise you. Nobody will get screwed. Somebody will definitely be very disappointed. But that happens every year, regardless of how many judging panels there are or how the schedule is determined. The solution is to avoid being a bubble band. Continue to do the hard work to get better and make an undeniable statement. I said the rules for ranking were biased not the judges. I am very familiar with judging and understand how it works. I am far from naive. Did I say anyone would back into finals? Do not attempt to put words in my mouth. I will not put worlds, meanings, or intentions in yours. Respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I agree 7L Oak Ridge Hendrickson or Timber Creek could take that last spot i think I immediately thought of them as well. Also since College Park did really well yesterday I’d add them as a possible candidate. Maybe Pearland or SFA. Oooooohhhhh everyone is doing so well this season, it’s so exciting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I immediately thought of them as well. Also since College Park did really well yesterday I’d add them as a possible candidate. Maybe Pearland or SFA. Oooooohhhhh everyone is doing so well this season, it’s so exciting!! SFA will not be at San Antonio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 SFA will not be at San Antonio. Oh duhhh!!! I forgot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danpod Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Oh duhhh!!! I forgot Understandable. There are over 250 programs competing at San Antonio Super Regional this year. JeremiahW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averagemusicenjoyer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 anyone here going to be in the retreat at finals? It'd be cool to meet someone from the forums on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danpod Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 anyone here going to be in the retreat at finals? It'd be cool to meet someone from the forums on the field Our staff members/bloggers typically head to the field right after Retreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanderMomma Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Understandable. There are over 250 programs competing at San Antonio Super Regional this year. Waaaaaaatttttt? 1998-2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPMC Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Pioneer has improved A LOT since their performance at BOA McAllen. I say that they will get at least 2nd in the 2A division, with a caption to go along with it Yes they have! With two weeks to go it’s going to be a very interesting race between Rouse and Pioneer for the AA title. Perhaps the initial weather caused some delay at the start? Regardless they seem to be on a full tank now. Best of luck to both groups in SA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1998-2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I said the rules for ranking were biased not the judges. I am very familiar with judging and understand how it works. I am far from naive. Did I say anyone would back into finals? Do not attempt to put words in my mouth. I will not put worlds, meanings, or intentions in yours. Respect. I have no interest in debating semantics with you, nor will I be sidetracked by a non sequitur. Especially when others have also tried to help with information and perspective and you responded to them with the same logical fallacy. You are still missing (or ignoring) the point. I hope that you enjoy the competition and your concerns don't spoil it for you. Please don't be this guy. http://www.poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/mad/ It's two days of wonderful performances regardless of who makes Finals. Good luck to your band program. Enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassesbringthe_ Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! BlackJesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justabandkid94 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I’m so here for all the drama this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenedictCucumberpatch Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Top 4 are Flomo, CTJ, TWHS, and Leander. In no order. I don’t believe Reagan’s show is challenging enough for it to be competitive with these four. Complicated shows that are cleaner than easier shows are winning shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 It should be a great competition. From what I have seen it looks like there are 6 or so bands that could win or medal. And a lot that will be fighting for finals spots. It feels that this year is more open than previous years with less of a clear favorite of one of two bands that are locks to win. I don't think it is because quality has gone down, it feels that quality has gone up this year. justabandkid94 and 1998-2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanderMomma Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! I love it when the Vandy brass cranks out those huge long notes at the beginning of their show. Pure bliss! Vista is definitely on the rise (ha, no offense to Vandegrift). Wonderful show this year! Leander is cooking for sure this year, but I never know where to place them so I usually don't even try. And we really haven't even seen anyone else other than CTJ and Cedar Park due to Raintember and Raintober, so I just honestly don't have a clue!! I have missed seeing the DFW area bands shine this year, and the Woodlands as well. It's just been crazy and I think very few of us truly know what to expect at BOA SA this year. Too many unknowns!! Mash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nny14 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! I wouldn't count out Hebron or Leander on that music caption. Vandegrift sounds great, but not quite as good as last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeKyu Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I wouldn't count out Hebron or Leander on that music caption. Vandegrift sounds great, but not quite as good as last year. I agree that both Hebron or Leander can take that caption. They both sound incredible, not taking anything away from Vandy as I love their balance and power. I think we are going to see a surprise with the new 2-panel finals selections. I see 2 LISD (Leander) bands bringing home medals. All of LISD is rocking this year. There's a great chance to see: Vandy Leander Vista Ridge Cedar Park Rouse second 4 as Panel 1's top 4 is very tough and they will be playing with little to no pressure. Their sound has really matured this year and they are performing at a high level. all play on Saturday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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