UIL 4A State Marching Contest 2023 (November 1)

[olivelover47]

Just putting this out there for next year… Pine Tree is projected to be moving down to 4A next year. Do y’all think this will cause some changes or no?

[Tubalord11]

1 hour ago, viejo said:

Just putting this out there for next year… Pine Tree is projected to be moving down to 4A next year. Do y’all think this will cause some changes or no?

Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

[J-Mike16]

14 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:

Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

If Pine Tree moves down, they would be placed in 4A Area C. 

[Dave609]

14 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:

Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

It was their second time! Their first appearance was in 1985, in the same classification :). I could definitely see them make finals if/when they move back to 4A!

[tylerolivera]

Do we know who all is moving up and down 100%? (Bands that would be a threat)

[11BandMan11]

1 hour ago, tylerolivera said:

Do we know who all is moving up and down 100%? (Bands that would be a threat)

No 100% yet - once the snapshot numbers were released by UIL from all the campuses thats when the real fun began of guessing where everybody lands, they'll be releasing the reclassification alignment in the future which will put every program in their difference conferences 

[tylerolivera]

for 4A, i've heard rumors of Kaufman, Sulphur Springs, and Lindale all moving up, and for sure Anna

Apparently Panther Creek only has 1100 or so, but they're still a frisco school, so their numbers for next year will possibly be 1400 or so with the new school year which is a little messed up

I've also heard of Davenport moving up

I think Lumberton's numbers are pretty close but not enough to bump them, and pretty much every canyon school is about the same as lumberton (1100-1250)

[TexasStrangers]

I'm pretty sure the cutoff numbers are going to go up compared to what they were last year. How much higher it goes is unknown at this moment.

[TexasStrangers]

On 10/15/2023 at 6:13 PM, criscubes said:

 

 

6 hours ago, tylerolivera said:

for 4A, i've heard rumors of Kaufman, Sulphur Springs, and Lindale all moving up, and for sure Anna

Apparently Panther Creek only has 1100 or so, but they're still a frisco school, so their numbers for next year will possibly be 1400 or so with the new school year which is a little messed up

I've also heard of Davenport moving up

I think Lumberton's numbers are pretty close but not enough to bump them, and pretty much every canyon school is about the same as lumberton (1100-1250)

As of now, unless the cutoff numbers go down which I doubt.  SS and Lindale will stay in 4A. Kaufman is on the fence and Anna for sure is going to move up.

[tylerolivera]

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

[Samuel Culper]

On 11/14/2023 at 8:30 PM, tylerolivera said:

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

That's how it works.

The UIL sets the cutoffs to try to balance the # of schools in each classification. They have to take into account the schools who will opt up and then they set the cutoffs. 

[tylerolivera]

9 hours ago, Samuel Culper said:

That's how it works.

The UIL sets the cutoffs to try to balance the # of schools in each classification. They have to take into account the schools who will opt up and then they set the cutoffs. 

so how do they opt up to see if they will go up

[lost]

On 11/14/2023 at 8:30 PM, tylerolivera said:

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

Leander was 6A by around 3 kids during the 2018 cycle.

[Samuel Culper]

On 11/21/2023 at 9:23 PM, tylerolivera said:

so how do they opt up to see if they will go up

The opt up is usually a decision to stay with other schools within their school district.  The district communicates that choice to the UIL ahead of time so they know who would be opting up when they are looking to set the cutoffs.

[wtxbd02]

Pine Tree submitted enrollment in the 1,250s so they'll almost assuredly move down.   They should compete very well in 4A, really enjoyed their show this year and seems like they are on an upswing.  

[J-Mike16]

On 12/6/2023 at 12:56 PM, LKendrick said:

Pine Tree submitted enrollment in the 1,250s so they'll almost assuredly move down.   They should compete very well in 4A, really enjoyed their show this year and seems like they are on an upswing.  

And with that, Sulphur Springs submitted 1,290. Looks like they are moving back up.

[TBonesNeverQuitGo]

Doesn’t 4A go all the way to 1314?

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[tylerolivera]

area B will be... interesting next year with  2 of its biggest state qualifiers leaving (anna and kaufman), leaves room for PC, celina, and of course canton

[Tubalord11]

29 minutes ago, tylerolivera said:

area B will be... interesting next year with  2 of its biggest state qualifiers leaving (anna and kaufman), leaves room for PC, celina, and of course canton

Hoping PC can get a state championship before most likely eventually going to 5A 

[tylerolivera]

17 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

Hoping PC can get a state championship before most likely eventually going to 5A 

they are a frisco school, they should be way over on enrollment numbers with this next coming year, really not fair, we need D1 and D2 band

[olivelover47]

Area C next year is definitely going to change with Pine Tree coming into the mix 

[J-Mike16]

1 hour ago, viejo said:

Area C next year is definitely going to change with Pine Tree coming into the mix 

With Splendora and West Fork moving up to 5A and Liberty-Eylau dropping to 3A, Area C is definitely going to be different for sure.

Open Class Bands for 4A Area C

• Bridge City
• Hamshire-Fannett
• Hargrave
• Jasper
• Little Cypress-Mauriceville
• Liberty
• Livingston
• Lumberton
• North Lamar
• Paris
• Pine Tree (5A to 4A)
• Pleasant Grove
• Shepherd (3A to 4A)
• Silsbee
• Sulphur Springs
• Tarkington (3A to 4A)
• West Orange-Stark

[Tubalord11]

On 12/11/2023 at 11:52 PM, J-Mike16 said:

With Splendora and West Fork moving up to 5A and Liberty-Eylau dropping to 3A, Area C is definitely going to be different for sure.

Open Class Bands for 4A Area C

• Bridge City
• Hamshire-Fannett
• Hargrave
• Jasper
• Little Cypress-Mauriceville
• Liberty
• Livingston
• Lumberton
• North Lamar
• Paris
• Pine Tree (5A to 4A)
• Pleasant Grove
• Shepherd (3A to 4A)
• Silsbee
• Sulphur Springs
• Tarkington (3A to 4A)
• West Orange-Stark

Early preds in no order: Pine Tree, Sulphur Springs, North Lamar, Lumberton, Paris 

[J-Mike16]

6 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:

Early preds in no order: Pine Tree, Sulphur Springs, North Lamar, Lumbertown, Paris 

Interesting that you put out Bridge City. and why Lumbertown? lol

[Dave609]

9 hours ago, J-Mike16 said:

Interesting that you put out Bridge City. and why Lumbertown? lol

bro, Lumbertown is the best band ever!