2025 BOA Grand National Championships (Nov. 13-15)

[cheeto2401]

2025 Bands of America Grand National Finals Results

1st - Avon H.S., IN - 97.825
2nd - Flower Mound H.S., TX - 97.625
3rd - Carmel H.S., IN - 96.450
4th - Broken Arrow H.S., OK - 96.325
5th - The Woodlands H.S., TX - 94.475
6th - Ronald Reagan H.S., TX - 93.300
7th - Marcus H.S., TX - 92.925
8th - Blue Springs H.S., MO - 92.375
9th - Dripping Springs H.S., TX - 92.225
10th - William Mason H.S., OH - 89.250
11th - Wando H.S., SC - 89.150
12th - Bentonville H.S., AR - 89.050

Outstanding Music Performance - Carmel H.S., IN + Flower Mound H.S., TX
Outstanding Visual Performance - Flower Mound H.S., TX
Outstanding General Effect - Avon H.S., IN
Albert J Castronovo Esprit de Corp Award - Kenai Central H.S., AK
2027 Rose Parade - Carmel H.S., IN

[anotherbandmom]

Idk guys I was generally more effected by FloMo's show but I'm just the townsfolk. Feels like another one of those "it just comes down to the run" thing. Team Texas showed out big time though and I am proud of us. 

[JFNDOWBFAN]

The 50th BOA in Indy, that specializes in the GE, goes tooooooo, the Indy school that won GE, color me shocked. Did we expect different?

[clarinote]

How badly did they score flomo in GE for them to win both performance captions and still lose by 0.2. Ridiculous. 

[cheeto2401]

Just now, Trombone_lover17 said:

I suspect that hurt Marcus this year too...

i can agree, winning music but your visual + ge sucks? literally unheard of

[GeekBoy54]

I know a lot of y'all would've loved to see Flower Mound win, and they came very close to doing it, but how about celebrating both them and Avon on the history they made tonight? 

Flower Mound is the first ever Texas band to win Outstanding Visual in grand nats finals, and Avon is the first band ever to do a threepeat twice. All of the bands that performed were fantastic, including 4 other Texas bands in finals and 2 in semi's.

These kids work extremely hard and there's no need to push forth this whole Texas vs Indiana war. 

Feels a little bit like how LD Bell came thaaaaaaaaaaat close to winning in 2006 before coming back in 2007 and taking it. I know a Grand Nats win is right around the corner for Flower Mound in the future.

[justabandkid94]

Coming out from my lurking the last few seasons… First, congrats to all 5 Texas bands in finals!!

Secondly, a Texas band winning visual, finally. Wow. What a statement by Flower Mound grabbing visual. When was the last time a band other than Carmel, Avon or Broken Arrow won the Visual caption? 2004? Visual proficiency in Texas has been a long gestating development, and I’ve really been impressed by the strides that have been made in the last decade. VERY noticeably a post-COVID surge in strength from the Texas programs. I’m not an educator, so sure what’s going on, but it’s so evident. The sense of ownership, formal awareness and overall dexterity in movement across the board has completely skyrocketed.

I understand that losing by 0.2 stings, but I hope these kids (and everyone on this forum…) understand how much of a shake up this is. 

[Dallas Hobbs]

Guys I guessed the first 10/12 finalists correctly! I had Flo mo first and Avon second. I also correctly guessed Flo mo would win visual. 
 

I AT FIRST actually had Flo mo and Carmel tied for music but I chickened out  on guessing a tie🙈(Carmel’s show was hard for me to analyze because I couldn’t find a full recording of them. I literally had to make inferences based on the 3 YouTube short clips Box5 posted😅). I had Flo mo for general effect but Avon got it again (congrats to them and their 6th(?) victory victory!) 

I’m patting myself on the back for these placement guesses cuz I’m usually way off lol but I learned to be more critical with what I’m listening to and to re-listen to recordings (and the top half/bottom also helps with guessing lol. And I might’ve had a subconscious bias because of semifinals class placement awards. ) And I just went with the band I thought had the most depth of demand in their show and was the more impressive performance wise. I think that helps also with gauging which show had the stronger “effect”. 

[natertater21000]

5 minutes ago, Trombone_lover17 said:

I suspect that hurt Marcus this year too...

I’d really love to see BOA switch to a 30/30/40 split like DCI. I’ve always thought 20/20/60 is a bit too skewed. 

[jetliner]

2 minutes ago, GeekBoy54 said:

I know a lot of y'all would've loved to see Flower Mound win, and they came very close to doing it, but how about celebrating both them and Avon on the history they made tonight? 

Flower Mound is the first ever Texas band to win Outstanding Visual in grand nats finals, and Avon is the first band ever to do a threepeat twice. All of the bands that performed were fantastic, including 4 other Texas bands in finals and 2 in semi's.

These kids work extremely hard and there's no need to push forth this whole Texas vs Indiana war. 

Feels a little bit like how LD Bell came thaaaaaaaaaaat close to winning in 2006 before coming back in 2007 and taking it. I know a Grand Nats win is right around the corner for Flower Mound in the future.

If two opportunities don't pan out that's the greater part of a decade. And you don't have forever in a director. I'm not sure there's many more chances. 

[cheeto2401]

Just now, natertater21000 said:

I’d really love to see BOA switch to a 30/30/40 split like DCI. I’ve always thought 20/20/60 is a bit too skewed. 

is it actually 20 20 60... no wonder avon won after winning ONLY ge 😭

[natertater21000]

Just now, cheeto2401 said:

is it actually 20 20 60... no wonder avon won after winning ONLY ge 😭

Yes, and unlike the 20 in music and visual that is averaged between 2 judges (individual and ensemble) each GE judge unilaterally decides 20 points of the overall score. A GE judge not vibing with your show can drop you multiple places, or even multiple points. 

[justabandkid94]

Being miserable is ultimately a personal choice.. 

[MoBone]

11 minutes ago, GeekBoy54 said:

I know a lot of y'all would've loved to see Flower Mound win, and they came very close to doing it, but how about celebrating both them and Avon on the history they made tonight? 

Flower Mound is the first ever Texas band to win Outstanding Visual in grand nats finals, and Avon is the first band ever to do a threepeat twice. All of the bands that performed were fantastic, including 4 other Texas bands in finals and 2 in semi's.

These kids work extremely hard and there's no need to push forth this whole Texas vs Indiana war. 

Feels a little bit like how LD Bell came thaaaaaaaaaaat close to winning in 2006 before coming back in 2007 and taking it. I know a Grand Nats win is right around the corner for Flower Mound in the future.

The problem is, is FloMo going back next year? I think I read the LISD schools rotate this trip every 4 years. That’s what sucks about this Avon can go every year, theyre 20 mins away from the venue. 

[hsbandnerd212]

*Sigh*

[cheeto2401]

1 minute ago, JRZ said:

Now I’m being accused of discrimination! WOW. It’s called an opinion. Get over yourself. 

ur over here talkin abt how you're rooting for texas bands and the way of doing that is tearing out-of-state programs down, to me thats discrimination. 

[cheeto2401]

1 minute ago, MoBone said:

The problem is, is FloMo going back next year? I think I read the LISD schools rotate this trip every 4 years. That’s what sucks about this Avon can go every year, theyre 20 mins away from the venue. 

flomo is not going back next year, lewisville schools rotate trips every 4 years (yes you're correct) because of the amount of funding that goes into it, especially with all those kids in both flomo and marcus, wouldve been more if hebron went as well

[MoBone]

19 minutes ago, clarinote said:

How badly did they score flomo in GE for them to win both performance captions and still lose by 0.2. Ridiculous. 

That’s my thought exactly 

[Iplaydadrum]

Unfortunate byproduct of the 20/20/60 distribution (imo they should just follow DCI and do 30/30/40). However, people should be celebrating the fact that this just confirms that Texas is producing some of the best trained marchers both visually and especially musically in the country by a large margin. It's even more crazy to think that even with FloMo winning music, they're still not number one musically in Texas (although I think you can argue that they had the best drumline in Texas this year and probably one of the best fronts).

[cheeto2401]

flower mound was 1st in prelims

[Vegas Band Fan]

Maybe more Texas bands should direct their attention to U.S Bands and not BOA. Look at how many Texas regionals BOA schedules each year.

[goat_trumpet]

I would like to see what would and wouldn't change at a highly competitive BOA comp like grand nats if they were to change the scoring to 30/30/40. I feel like it's one of the few things that DCI does right, and I want to see change like this transfer to BOA as well to see what would happen!

[cheeto2401]

prelims top 3

Flower Mound - 96.750
Avon - 96.250
Carmel - 95.400

[hsbandnerd212]

Prelims recap: https://recaps.competitionsuite.com/c3425990-4616-4cc1-9b0d-0dab57238f20.htm

[Vegas Band Fan]

Just now, cheeto2401 said:

prelims top 3

Flower Mound - 96.750
Avon - 96.250
Carmel - 95.400

I remember something like this with Hebron taking 1st place in prelims at the 2023 GN.