LKendrick Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Cleaned up some comments. You don't have to necessarily agree with the results, just please make sure you do so in a manner that's respectful, with reason, and not directing negatively at any program. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natertater21000 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 can someone explain how the tie was broken for leander and cp? im not sure how that works for uil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 can someone explain how the tie was broken for leander and cp? im not sure how that works for uil The UIL scoring procedure is here: http://www.uiltexas.org/music/marching-band/marching-band-scoring-and-advancement-procedure Basically, looking at Leander and Cedar Park, 3 judges favored Leander over Cedar Park, whereas only 2 judges favored Cedar Park over Leander. So, Leander wins the tiebreaker. Xenon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Culper Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Scott Coulson - Mesquite Greg Dick - Friendswood James Hudson - Arizona State U Albert Lo - UT Rio Grande Valley Tom Shine - Duncanville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Jordan Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would like to know what happened to my posts? Why are things being deleted? Was anything I said derogatory? I'm fairly certain I didn't bash anyone. I merely stated facts I observed out on the field tonight in regards to execution and "falling down". Or was it that I questioned the judges possibly being enamored moreso by shows over execution of marching and music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Scott Coulson - Mesquite Greg Dick - Friendswood James Hudson - Arizona State U Albert Lo - UT Rio Grande Valley Tom Shine - Duncanville That list isn't correct (likely due to the weather delay), but I don't know how much incorrect. I know that David Brandon (Duncanville) was J1 (prelims and finals). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Culper Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Ok. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would like to know what happened to my posts? Why are things being deleted? Was anything I said derogatory? I'm fairly certain I didn't bash anyone. I merely stated facts I observed out on the field tonight in regards to execution and "falling down". Or was it that I questioned the judges possibly being enamored moreso by shows over execution of marching and music? I'd like to hear what you have to say. Perhaps you can restate your points another way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan123 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 That list isn't correct (likely due to the weather delay), but I don't know how much incorrect. I know that David Brandon (Duncanville) was J1 (prelims and finals). I wonder who gave Leander a 5 in prelims.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
principalagent Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Also, great for Vista for catching Vandegrift after gunning for them all season. That may be a sign that all 5A LISD bands can jump into finals again in San Antonio this weekend at BOA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHSax Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I guess the only way for LISD to improve on last cycles medal sweep is to sweep the top 4. These 4 were obviously a level above the rest (drip settled nicely into 5th) and while they'll get slightly stiffer competition at state, I still think it'll be an internal affair for 1st place, and for the bronze. And as you mentioned PA, I think all of these bands will do well this weekend as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Jordan Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 kschmize: I stated that I felt that McCallum got the shaft. They executed their performance very well. Their marching was clean. Their music was clean. Very few issues with spacing. Lines were always good. Dripping Springs however had issues. They did not execute cleanly. At the start of their routine they merge into a big triangle shape and rotate it. The middle of it ... not clean. There were other places throughout their performance that were just not clean at all. Nevermind the fact that one guy fell down and 3 or 4 other people ran over him causing several to have to move to avoid him. Perhaps my posts got deleted because I ruffled some feathers by suggesting that perhaps the judges in the contest are getting enamored by the "show", the color, the pageantry, etc. Maybe the judges were watching butterflies and trees instead of watching the marching... This is UIL. This is not BOA. Not bashing anyone. I never have and never will. Dripping Springs has a very beautiful show. I think they'll do very well at BOA this coming weekend. I hope they do. My wife and I love their show. That being said though, McCallum executed last night better than Dripping Springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHSax Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think one of the major faults in your argument is that not a single judge agrees with you, in the entire day. I understand being upset by highly inconsistent judges (kind of), but there's not much to be upset by in this specific competition because the judging was impressively consistent. So unless they were ALL "looking at butterflies," it seems your opinion is the outlier. Also, "falls" are rarely if ever a reason for judges to deduct from a show. Falls are freak things that happen to everyone, and aren't necessarily a reflection of the quality of a show. Its also very hard to make the UIL vs BOA case against dripping springs, as they have historically leaned much more of a UIL friendly show designs, and are consistently a fine example of cleanliness vs "showiness" McCallum had one of the best placements at this competition they've ever had and should be quite proud of it, but unfortunately ran into 5 of the best bands in the state in this competition. I hope they can build on this momentum and continue to improve in the upcoming years. Battery&Brass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Culper Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Also, something missing in this argument: Where do you gove credit for difficulty? I have seen many people argue that in UIL judging it is all about clean marching and clean music. That can only be true to a point, otherwise there is no incentive for (non-BOA) bands to do anything other than simple drill and simple music.I am not saying McCallum's show was either, but DS's show is clearly significantly more difficult in terms of both drill and music.This is nothing against McCallum. I have seen their show four times now and thoroughly enjoy it. I find myself rooting for them because they are always so solid and are clearly working with fewer resources than many of the bands they compete against.Even if it is not in the rubric that UIL judges use, however, there is no realistic way for the difficulty of the undertaking to NOT have an effect of the scores.And, having said all of that I still feel that DS was musically stronger than McCallum. Significantly. Battery&Brass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Jordan Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I will totally agree with you on DS being stronger musically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moler512 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Is there any way to watch area performances online? Or a dvd that you can order? Besides if someone uploads a video to youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduke Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 kschmize: I stated that I felt that McCallum got the shaft. They executed their performance very well. Their marching was clean. Their music was clean. Very few issues with spacing. Lines were always good. Dripping Springs however had issues. They did not execute cleanly. At the start of their routine they merge into a big triangle shape and rotate it. The middle of it ... not clean. There were other places throughout their performance that were just not clean at all. Nevermind the fact that one guy fell down and 3 or 4 other people ran over him causing several to have to move to avoid him. Perhaps my posts got deleted because I ruffled some feathers by suggesting that perhaps the judges in the contest are getting enamored by the "show", the color, the pageantry, etc. Maybe the judges were watching butterflies and trees instead of watching the marching... This is UIL. This is not BOA. Not bashing anyone. I never have and never will. Dripping Springs has a very beautiful show. I think they'll do very well at BOA this coming weekend. I hope they do. My wife and I love their show. That being said though, McCallum executed last night better than Dripping Springs. I think both bands executed their shows VERY well. At this point in the season and especially in this area, it comes down to the littlest details and is ultimately up to the judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduke Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think both bands executed their shows VERY well. At this point in the season and especially in this area, it comes down to the littlest details and is ultimately up to the judges. kschmize: I stated that I felt that McCallum got the shaft. They executed their performance very well. Their marching was clean. Their music was clean. Very few issues with spacing. Lines were always good. Dripping Springs however had issues. They did not execute cleanly. At the start of their routine they merge into a big triangle shape and rotate it. The middle of it ... not clean. There were other places throughout their performance that were just not clean at all. Nevermind the fact that one guy fell down and 3 or 4 other people ran over him causing several to have to move to avoid him. Perhaps my posts got deleted because I ruffled some feathers by suggesting that perhaps the judges in the contest are getting enamored by the "show", the color, the pageantry, etc. Maybe the judges were watching butterflies and trees instead of watching the marching... This is UIL. This is not BOA. Not bashing anyone. I never have and never will. Dripping Springs has a very beautiful show. I think they'll do very well at BOA this coming weekend. I hope they do. My wife and I love their show. That being said though, McCallum executed last night better than Dripping Springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladybookworm Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Speaking of UIL judging in general, I've always heard that uil doesn't take into account the difficulty of the show, but I think it'd be hard not to. So, my question is: does UIL grade including the difficulty or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
principalagent Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Actually, UIL just changed their sheets for Region, Area, and State to account for the demand of the music and drill. It's not a significant portion of the rubric by any account, but it's a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 From what I saw last night from Area D it looks to be impressive again in State finals. It will come up to the judges. Leander and Cedar Park appear to be in a dead heat. Both are very impressive. Clean and powerful. Vista Ridge and Vandergrift appear to be in a dead heat as well. Very intricate shows that are performed well. Vista's show is more subtle and nuanced and Vandergrift's is more in your face. Depends on the judges. I can see any of these four shuffling in order depending on the performances, I predict that they will take 1-4 with Leander, Cedar Park, Vista Ridge, and Vandergrift. Question; there were drops in the drill team for CP last night, how are those accounted for in the scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard Core Band Fan Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Kind of off-thread, but check out the top 2 results from the Area B 5A finals results: 1) Centennial HS (FRISCO) 1-2-3-2-1=9 (989-935-860-980-984)2) Wakeland HS 2-1-10-1-2=16 (984-965-767-990-980) That 3rd music judge really hit Wakeland hard! Not that it matters, they're going to state anyway, but ouch! SKB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewing09 Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 This is probably somewhere on the forum, but what is Dripping Springs show? I've been looking for videos for awhile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Culper Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 DS's show is "The Flight of Spring". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincentlee1220 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 DS played mainly Rite of Spring and Dvorak's New World Symphony, Mvt. II (very strange mashup but it wasn't bad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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