Xenon Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I have a question, and pending the answer another. If 10 bands make finals, but lets say there is a tie making 11 who could be in finals, do they take all 11 to finals, or do they break the tie and only have 10 in finals and leave out the school that tied? They break the tie and only take 10. Separate from that: "In addition any band below tenth place that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the marching judges will also advance to the finals." This used to state that any band that received Finals votes (top 7 at the time) from two music and one marching judge would advance to Finals regardless. This is why there were 8 bands in 5A State Finals in 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Update from Richard Floyd: Hopefully there will be a webcast. We are waiting on a few details to make it official. Should know for sure by the end of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etizzlemynizzle Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I think Berkner should do quite well on Tuesday. This seems like their best product in years and I personally root for any program with Frank Troyka attached to it. The amount of win that comes with this statement far exceeds that of any other statement said on this forum before yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRaider13 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) They break the tie and only take 10. Separate from that: "In addition any band below tenth place that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the marching judges will also advance to the finals." This used to state that any band that received Finals votes (top 7 at the time) from two music and one marching judge would advance to Finals regardless. This is why there were 8 bands in 5A State Finals in 2000. Well now I get that, but wouldn't it make sense to just take the extra school and have 11 in finals? I'm not saying if there was a 4way tie like in 2003 they should take them all, but what if it was just one band that tied, wouldn't you like to see them have a shot? After all they did equal the point needed for finals. I'm just tossing this out there Edited October 27, 2010 by TxRaider13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Well now I get that, but wouldn't it make sense to just take the extra school and have 11 in finals? I'm not saying if there was a 4way tie like in 2003 they should take them all, but what if it was just one band that tied, wouldn't you like to see them have a shot? After all they did equal the point needed for finals. I'm just tossing this out there If they were tied for the last spot to make finals, they most likely would have fit the 2 music and 1 marching judge placed them in Finals criteria that used to be in place. I think that rule should go back to how it used to be instead of how it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_a_texas_girl Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Well now I get that, but wouldn't it make sense to just take the extra school and have 11 in finals? I'm not saying if there was a 4way tie like in 2003 they should take them all, but what if it was just one band that tied, wouldn't you like to see them have a shot? After all they did equal the point needed for finals. I'm just tossing this out there I understand where you are going from an emotional stand point, but the fact is the rule is written that way because someone at UIL wanted it that way. The relevance of what you or I would want, is, well.....irrelevant. What is relevant is that the schools participating understand that the rule is the rule so that there are no surprises when and if the situation arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenkk1 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Hey, did any of you guys see Cypress Falls' show? In previous years, I've been able to come out and see them, but this year I haven't had a chance. Is their show any good? I'm only posting on this thread because they made state. Thank you so much for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRC Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I understand where you are going from an emotional stand point, but the fact is the rule is written that way because someone at UIL wanted it that way. The relevance of what you or I would want, is, well.....irrelevant. What is relevant is that the schools participating understand that the rule is the rule so that there are no surprises when and if the situation arises. Ties to me a very confusing too me... UIL's way of breaking a tie isnt very fair but it works for them. In my opnion a tie shouldn't be broken and they should just allow the band that tied advance or break by soem sort of competition like a drum-off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princess Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 karen - I saw Cy-Falls on Saturday at finals. Their show was good and they have the usual really good props. I was surprised, that during the first half of the show they only marched on 1/2 of the field. Their props were lined up right down the middle of the field and they only marched on the home side. Isn't there a rule about using the whole field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danpod Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 karen - I saw Cy-Falls on Saturday at finals. Their show was good and they have the usual really good props. I was surprised, that during the first half of the show they only marched on 1/2 of the field. Their props were lined up right down the middle of the field and they only marched on the home side. Isn't there a rule about using the whole field? There's no rule about using the whole field. In fact, I still think you can charge the stands like Spring 2000. Best ending ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xenon Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 There's no rule about using the whole field. In fact, I still think you can charge the stands like Spring 2000. Best ending ever! Yep, unlike BOA, UIL doesn't have any performance boundary rules. In fact, Mansfield Legacy at Area B pulled a Spring 2000 and rushed right around and in front of the pit to play their last phrase right in front of the stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMELLO Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I saw your performance at Westlake and after I watched it I felt you guys still had a lot of polishing to do on an otherwise complex and entertaining show. Sounds like the extra weeks since Westlake has allowed you to smooth out those rough spots. I look forward to seeing your show next week at (yikes!) 7:30am. yeah were not too thrilled about the 7:30 time. but one thing our director keeps telling us that for at least a few minutes, we'll be in first place! haha and i guess i should be happy that its a local school going first, instead of some dallas band or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabanddad Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Area D finals was very interesting. I haven't seen much about Round Rock, but they were great. I understand that they got 1st over Bowie at a marching festival. Very good show, very well performed. I predict they are in the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellopwn1 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Does "they" refer to Bowie or Round Rock...? Area D finals was very interesting. I haven't seen much about Round Rock, but they were great. I understand that they got 1st over Bowie at a marching festival. Very good show, very well performed. I predict they are in the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummerjoe Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Does "they" refer to Bowie or Round Rock...? Well the whole post was about Round Rock, so you can assume Round Rock. And it was two marching festivals Capital City and Westlake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nope Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I <3 You. And your signature. Wow! They're practically running at that tempo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nope Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Also, I think it's difficult for bands to have "big" moments in their music, the kind that will win them state, if their ENTIRE show is fast paced and "exciting". Cedar Park 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nope Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 They beat them because of percussion and guard scores. I believe that Bowie won the marching and music caption at both? And while I wasn't at Area, looking at the scores. Bowie must have really kicked some butt on the field. I do like Round Rocks show and wish them good luck. Cedar Park won best music and visual of the day, and second in percussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwood69 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Cedar Park 2008. key phrases: "ENTIRE show" and "win them state" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummantx Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 3A's gonna be a bloodbath. All the area competitions to 5 were SUPER DUPER close, it's hard to tell who will make finals next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nope Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 key phrases: "ENTIRE show" and "win them state" Haha, try to find a moment where it's not fast or intense. Good Luck. They didn't win, but they were the best band there. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewing09 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 key phrases: "ENTIRE show" and "win them state" Realistically your phrasing doesn't make sense because it's a known norm that shows are never always fast. I've never seen a show that didn't have a ballad/slow movement, not because it's impossible, but because having this slow movement often adds depth and beauty to the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwood69 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Haha, try to find a moment where it's not fast or intense. Good Luck.They didn't win, but they were the best band there. Period. 0:23-1:26 3:36-5:50 6:16-6:49 All those are moments in which the tempo is not that fast... or fast at all. Now regarding intensity... what exactly does intense mean? Does it mean something like that upside down triangle set in the opener where the entire band is playing, rumbling the bleachers? I don't think so, because they tried that very same trick the next year, and as everyone already knew, that was simply a product of their size the year before, so it was a little disappointing. I'm being picky right now, and obviously Cedar park had an incredibly arranged show that year, but it's a high school marching band... not Allah revealing himself. By the way... if you're not first, you're last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwood69 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Realistically your phrasing doesn't make sense because it's a known norm that shows are never always fast. I've never seen a show that didn't have a ballad/slow movement, not because it's impossible, but because having this slow movement often adds depth and beauty to the show. It's not my phrasing... but I know, I'm just ****ing around. Edited October 28, 2010 by mrwood69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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