The Danpodcast - 2018 BOA DFW Nerd-In!!!

[Danpod]

Let's preview the BOA Dallas/Ft. Worth Regional and see why you gotta give all the love to Prosper and why this contest is sneaky stacked!  Thanks for listening!!

 

[BenedictCucumberpatch]

Are you gonna preview Conroe?

[Danpod]

  On 10/3/2018 at 4:28 PM, Varity said:

Are you gonna preview Conroe?

 

Yes!  I should have it done later today after my standard filet mignon snack.

[BenedictCucumberpatch]

Hyped! And I wish that was my “snack”

[LeanderMomma]

I really do wish BOA would add a caption for color guard. It seems like a no-brainer.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/3/2018 at 7:52 PM, LeanderMomma said:

I really do wish BOA would add a caption for color guard. It seems like a no-brainer.

I've always felt like color guard ends up being a big part of Visual.

[LeanderMomma]

  On 10/3/2018 at 8:23 PM, Samuel Culper said:

I've always felt like color guard ends up being a big part of Visual.

Absolutely, but it would be nice to see a separate caption for them.

[natertater21000]

  On 10/3/2018 at 9:19 PM, LeanderMomma said:

Absolutely, but it would be nice to see a separate caption for them.

The biggest obstacle for a color guard caption is just how different guards can be from school to school. 99% of schools have the same basic set up for the band. High reeds, low reeds, high brass, low brass, field percussion, and front ensemble. The difficulty of what they play may change but the basic construction is the same. Because of this a judging rubric can be made to judge all bands. Guards however can be wildly different, take leander vs vandy. It would be really difficult to fairly judge a guard that uses primarily dance, dresses, swing flag and some six foot against a guard that uses everything from dance-Sabre.

[LeanderMomma]

  On 10/4/2018 at 7:14 PM, natertater21000 said:

The biggest obstacle for a color guard caption is just how different guards can be from school to school. 99% of schools have the same basic set up for the band. High reeds, low reeds, high brass, low brass, field percussion, and front ensemble. The difficulty of what they play may change but the basic construction is the same. Because of this a judging rubric can be made to judge all bands. Guards however can be wildly different, take leander vs vandy. It would be really difficult to fairly judge a guard that uses primarily dance, dresses, swing flag and some six foot against a guard that uses everything from dance-Sabre.

I believe it would encourage the less competitive guards to up their game if they were rewarded for doing so. I’m no expert, other than being in color guard myself for 5 years, but I think they could come up with some basic criteria to rate a guard by. And bonus points for more variety in the use of equipment.

 

Texas as a whole really needs to up our game in the guard world. As a whole, we are way behind.

[1998-2018]

  On 10/4/2018 at 7:14 PM, natertater21000 said:

Guards however can be wildly different, take leander vs vandy. It would be really difficult to fairly judge a guard that uses primarily dance, dresses, swing flag and some six foot against a guard that uses everything from dance-Sabre.

You mean like bands who march military style drill versus corp style drill? It still boils down to a combination of level of difficulty and level of execution, doesn't it?

 

  On 10/4/2018 at 8:08 PM, LeanderMomma said:

Texas as a whole really needs to up our game in the guard world. As a whole, we are way behind.

Make the trip to Dayton for the WGI World Class Finals and you will see that LeanderMomma just made the understatement of the century.

[LeanderMomma]

  On 10/4/2018 at 9:52 PM, 1998-2018 said:

Make the trip to Dayton for the WGI World Class Finals and you will see that LeanderMomma just made the understatement of the century.

oh I'm good at understatement.

 

And Leander won Scholastic A class with a record high score at WGI this Spring (they were incredible), but I'm still very aware of how far Texas needs to go to rise to the level of the Open Class and World Class guards.

[natertater21000]

  On 10/4/2018 at 9:52 PM, 1998-2018 said:

You mean like bands who march military style drill versus corp style drill? It still boils down to a combination of level of difficulty and level of execution, doesn't it?

 

 

Make the trip to Dayton for the WGI World Class Finals and you will see that LeanderMomma just made the understatement of the century.

When is the last time a military style band made finals at the San Antonio super regional? This is the same problem a guard caption would create, it would become a do it this way or find another circuit to compete in that rewards your style situation. Whether or not that's a positive thing for guards in general is a matter of opinion.

[natertater21000]

And as a side note I personally do believe it would be positive, but that's my best guess as to why such a caption has not been installed.... Yet

[JustBelieve]

Weareprosper!! Thank you for the support..

[1998-2018]

  On 10/5/2018 at 12:07 AM, natertater21000 said:

When is the last time a military style band made finals at the San Antonio super regional?

That was my point. It's already been done for drill style and it wouldn't be hard to do for Color Guard style either. This is not an issue of "how to", the real issue is "want to". Just out of curiosity, what was the last time you saw a band march military style drill anywhere and wanted to see them again at BOA SA Finals?

 

 

  On 10/5/2018 at 12:07 AM, natertater21000 said:

This is the same problem a guard caption would create, it would become a do it this way or find another circuit to compete in that rewards your style situation.

I seriously doubt it. We're talking about an additional caption award, not changing the overall scoring system. The two examples were Leander and Vandergrift. Both do very well at BOA and UIL competitions with drastically different Guards. Neither is likely to change or leave just like nobody is leaving because they can win Outstanding Music but never win Outstanding General Effect.

[natertater21000]

  On 10/5/2018 at 4:52 AM, 1998-2018 said:

That was my point. It's already been done for drill style and it wouldn't be hard to do for Color Guard style either. This is not an issue of "how to", the real issue is "want to".

 

 

 

 

I seriously doubt it. We're talking about an additional caption award, not changing the overall scoring system. The two examples were Leander and Vandergrift. Both do very well at BOA and UIL competitions with drastically different Guards. Neither is likely to change or leave just like nobody is leaving because they can win Outstanding Music but never win Outstanding General Effect.

You have to change the scoring system somewhat to add a caption. If the colorguard caption got added it would need to be like dci where it takes up a portion of the overall visual score. So it would visual individual, visual ensemble, and colorguard. In which case you'd start to see some bands immediately lose points or gain points depending on their guard programs strengths compared to the sheets. Looking at how guard is judged in dci, groups that don't have rifle lines or more advanced flag work would need to adapt and improve on that to earn those points. I'm not saying people would leave boa because of it. I'm just saying you'd see the colorguards of a lot of schools start to get way more intricate work, and the schools that can't wouldn't be winning the visual caption or possibly doing well enough in it to place where they want to.

[1998-2018]

  On 10/5/2018 at 12:00 AM, LeanderMomma said:

oh I'm good at understatement.

And Leander won Scholastic A class with a record high score at WGI this Spring (they were incredible), but I'm still very aware of how far Texas needs to go to rise to the level of the Open Class and World Class guards.

Leander was much more than incredible. That was one of the most fun shows I saw all year and with that level of execution was there ever any doubt they would win the Scholastic A Class in Dayton? Keller finished Second behind Leander at Dripping Springs and Denton before dropping to 6th in Dayton. Third maybe, Clovis was very good, but Sixth?

 

 

Never mind, it's a good thing we don't do this for the scores. I can see the eyes of the band nerds glazing over. We should have had this conversation over drinks in Dayton and we could have talked about how far we all have to go to catch Avon's Guard. People who have only seen Avon's Guard with the band have no idea that one of the best bands on the planet is actually holding back their Guard during the marching season. :-)

[1998-2018]

  On 10/5/2018 at 5:20 AM, natertater21000 said:

You have to change the scoring system somewhat to add a caption.

No, you don't. We regularly attend independent contests where there is an additional Color Guard judge who awards the caption but their score does not count toward placements. Percussion captions are often handled this way too. The Color Guard is still a factor in placement because they still affect the Visual and GE scores just as Percussion always affects Music scores regardless of whether or not it is a separate category on the score sheet.

 

 

  On 10/5/2018 at 5:20 AM, natertater21000 said:

In which case you'd start to see some bands immediately lose points or gain points depending on their guard programs strengths compared to the sheets. Looking at how guard is judged in dci, groups that don't have rifle lines or more advanced flag work would need to adapt and improve on that to earn those points.

BOA already works this way too. It just isn't as obvious because Color Guard isn't broken out separately on the scoresheet. The impact of rifle and saber lines or more advanced flag work is still accounted for in the scores.

 

UIL is a different story. But that's irrelevant to BAO adding a Color Guard caption. I previously mentioned UIL simply to illustrate how two high level bands with dramatically different styles can both thrive under significantly different scoring systems.