Immortalate Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 This story just keeps getting more heartbreaking. This morning I learned that last night during warm-up, moments before taking the field in Finals performance, Keller broke a drum head. With no time to replace it and the UIL season on the line for both of them Timber Creek loaned Keller a drum. This was the 5th time in a row Timber Creek finished one spot out of advancing to the Texas SMBC and they still loaned Keller a drum so they could advance. "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." One of my friends who has a kid at Timber told me that the Keller kids cheered for Timber before Timber went on for finals during warm up and that the Timber band returned the favor after they finished and waited for Keller outside the gate. Toasted Almond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickemColts75 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Now I’m lost. In what way does the UIL system involve voting? Vote was the wrong word to use. I was referring to the piece where judges "place" bands. The scoring I'm used to in youth sports is elements judged independently (here let's say, musicality, drill, overall impression) then those elements add up to an overall score minus any deductions. Scores get ranked, top score wins. When I looked at the Area scores it looks like the judges award what place they think the band should get then those "places" add up to their overall score. If anyone has a link that helps me understand scoring I'm more then happy to educate myself. When I've asked other people what the difference between our band and say, Flower Mound is, all they say is "money". I'm hoping that's not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanderMomma Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Thank goodness my sunburns always fade to tans very quickly! Kind of weird to have a sunburn this late in October! But then this IS Texas lol My poor daughter burned only on the right side of her face. It was unexpectedly hot in San Antonio yesterday for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassdad Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Can anyone confirm that Prosper will definitely attend the State competition, given that they have GN in Indy the same week? If they do not, what happens? Does Timber get a slot at that point? Asking for a friend son. Scur and JustBelieve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scur Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 So, I’ve heard that there’s a chance that Prosper might step out of UIL State because of BOA Grand Nationals.. but, looking at the schedules with there being a 1 1/2 day difference in performance times and even though they are first to go at Grand Nats it seems that is unlikely and no alternate will be taken to State? Sounds like they will have a very very busy week that week with also going to BOA San Antonio.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scur Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Can anyone confirm that Prosper will definitely attend the State competition, given that they have GN in Indy the same week? If they do not, what happens? Does Timber get a slot at that point? Asking for a friend son. I would assume from the fact that they are on the UIL State Schedule that they are not backing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassdad Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 I would assume from the fact that they are on the UIL State Schedule that they are not backing out. I'm looking for confirmation...plans need to be made, work schedules arranged, etc. I was hoping a Prosper parent, etc, or someone definitely in the know could chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurker Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Vote was the wrong word to use. I was referring to the piece where judges "place" bands. The scoring I'm used to in youth sports is elements judged independently (here let's say, musicality, drill, overall impression) then those elements add up to an overall score minus any deductions. Scores get ranked, top score wins. When I looked at the Area scores it looks like the judges award what place they think the band should get then those "places" add up to their overall score. If anyone has a link that helps me understand scoring I'm more then happy to educate myself. When I've asked other people what the difference between our band and say, Flower Mound is, all they say is "money". I'm hoping that's not the case. The judges actually do score the bands. Look at the results and look at the number with the rank. They then rank them based off the score. So they do exactly what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 UIL doesnt rewards the part ofband that is easier to influence with money, general effect. It helps poorer school districts be able to compete with the more affluent ones. It keeps it more in line with other UIL events. I have seen this same thing happen in BOA. When you have judges, you will have subjectivity and variances. UIL isn’t perfect, but it works. Sparks and Asaiah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meursault Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Vote was the wrong word to use. I was referring to the piece where judges "place" bands. The scoring I'm used to in youth sports is elements judged independently (here let's say, musicality, drill, overall impression) then those elements add up to an overall score minus any deductions. Scores get ranked, top score wins. When I looked at the Area scores it looks like the judges award what place they think the band should get then those "places" add up to their overall score. If anyone has a link that helps me understand scoring I'm more then happy to educate myself. When I've asked other people what the difference between our band and say, Flower Mound is, all they say is "money". I'm hoping that's not the case. money helps, but it’s not the deciding factor between a good and a bad program. The wealthiest area in Dallas is arguably Highland Park. NOT Lewisville. To imply that money is what separates great programs from good ones is absurd and damaging to the activity as a whole. I understand you and your children are upset, but come on. You’re really gonna come on this forum and say FloMo is only better because they have more money? 1998-2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Well, private lessons are very expensive. They make a huge difference. Dance instructors, props, better quality instruments and nicer uniforms all are very expensive. GE can be influenced by money, less so in UIL. However, it is still up to the kids to practice, work hard and succeed. It’s a little of both. Can you name me a highly successful band program from a poor district. I’m not sure. eeman0201 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Duncanville has one of the most successful band programs in the history of Texas and I certainly wouldn't say that it is in a wealthy area. BandoFando and Bandisdope 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Duncanville has one of the most successful band programs in the history of Texas and I certainly wouldn't say that it is in a wealthy area. For the record, Duncanville ISD is 76% "Economically Disadvantaged". BlackJesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BandGuy2 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Can anyone confirm that Prosper will definitely attend the State competition, given that they have GN in Indy the same week? If they do not, what happens? Does Timber get a slot at that point? Asking for a friend son. They’ll be going. brassdad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 For the record, Duncanville ISD is 76% "Economically Disadvantaged". Thank you. You put in words what I could seem to find a way to tactfully do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandnerd2018 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Is there a reason the 6A area results page says Waxahachie is the champion when Keller won? Is it just because they technically had the best score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandnerd2018 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 The rule that automatically made Keller in first place only applies at state, so based off the scores Waxhachie made first at the Area B competition. Good for them this being their first year in 6A. I’m glad to see their show getting good responses and being able to run with the big dogs. Asaiah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassclass Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Duncanville has one of the most successful band programs in the history of Texas and I certainly wouldn't say that it is in a wealthy area. Not only that, but we also don’t even pay a band fee. Not a dime to be in band. Of course there are other fees like our banquet, Jason’s deli (hehe), and little extra stuff like that but yeah, money isn’t as big of a factor as many might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percmom21 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Vote was the wrong word to use. I was referring to the piece where judges "place" bands. The scoring I'm used to in youth sports is elements judged independently (here let's say, musicality, drill, overall impression) then those elements add up to an overall score minus any deductions. Scores get ranked, top score wins. When I looked at the Area scores it looks like the judges award what place they think the band should get then those "places" add up to their overall score. If anyone has a link that helps me understand scoring I'm more then happy to educate myself. When I've asked other people what the difference between our band and say, Flower Mound is, all they say is "money". I'm hoping that's not the case. http://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/area-music-descriptor.pdf That is the link for the rubric for judging music. Categories are: Brass, Woodwind, Percussion performance worth up to 200 points Ensemble performance worth up to 200 points Musicianship worth up to 200 points http://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/area-marching-descriptor.pdf That is the link to the rubric they use for judging the marching portion. Categories: Individual marching worth 400 parts Ensemble marching worth 400 points Drill worth 100 points Integration worth 100 points Each of those categories give examples of what they are looking for. Then they total up their scores for each band and the bands are ranked in order of highest score to lowest score for each individual judge and that gives them their ordinal ranking by judge. The ordinal ranks of each band is added together and the ranking now becomes lowest number to highest number with the lowest being the best. So, using this contest and Richland :-) Their scores in prelims were 806 + 816 + 943 + 945 + 850 = 4360 udges rankings were 16 + 10 + 11 + 4 + 16 =57 which put is in 11th place As you can see judges 3 and 4 were only 2 points different in how they scored us, however their placements were 7 places off. You can interpret that as judge 3 gave higher scores to more bands than judge 4 did. Lots of numbers that can be looked at in all kinds of ways. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Almond Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 New to this forum, so forgive my ignorance on the math here, but.... How can a music performance score be in the 800-900 range (as many were/are) if there is a maximum of 600 possible points? I see the math clearly on the marching side - 1000 possible points easily explains the numerical scores there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himtiffant Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 New to this forum, so forgive my ignorance on the math here, but.... How can a music performance score be in the 800-900 range (as many were/are) if there is a maximum of 600 possible points? I see the math clearly on the marching side - 1000 possible points easily explains the numerical scores there. 200 brass, 200 ww, 200 perc, along with 200 each for ensemble performance and musicianship Percmom21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percmom21 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 200 brass, 200 ww, 200 perc, along with 200 each for ensemble performance and musicianship Thank you...I should have added each to that line! himtiffant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Almond Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 200 brass, 200 ww, 200 perc, along with 200 each for ensemble performance and musicianship Ahh, okay. That explains it. Thank you! himtiffant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandwoww Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 If you look at the actual scores awarded from the judges and add them up, TC had a better score than Duncanville. Keller had a better score than Waxahachie even with that one crazy judge. Scur and Toasted Almond 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaiah Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 If you look at the actual scores awarded from the judges and add them up, TC had a better score than Duncanville. Keller had a better score than Waxahachie even with that one crazy judge. That is crazy, but the raw totals don't mean as much as the spreads. uniformstylist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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