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Is this message board for insults rather than discussion? Most message forums I've encountered, encourage discussion, rather than trying to shut it down with arrogance and insults. I've stated my opinion, you can certainly state yours. That's how discussion works. You might spend a moment or two to reflect on that. I'm sure you will not.

Sorry for the longer post and response.... If what I've heard from former students about Cartwright & instructional practices that were occurring - good riddance. On another note - It's always interesting how there are a ton of other EXTREMELY successful "old school" band directors who did not and still do not resort to or utilize some of the methods that we all know are not just wrong for kids, but if we're really honest with ourselves, not just borderline, downright abusive. There's a very big difference between holding students accountable / having high expectations and communicating that appropriately to CHILDREN at the high school age, and verbally accosting / screaming / threatening / etc. CHILDREN for the sake of 'the art'. Accountability is good, high expectations are good, when POSITIVELY reinforced by staff and students alike. Also, I really dislike how in the band community we have turned "old school" into a massive diss - we would literally have NONE of the funding, facilities, voices at the decision making table, etc. if it weren't for all of the amazing and positive "old school" band directors across Texas and the country. While we're at it, lets get REAL for second. Marching Band - It's not that deep. It's CHILDREN running around a football field wearing crazy costumes, throwing things in air, etc. to be a part of something bigger than themselves and a part of a band and guard family where everyone is accepted and appreciated. Sometimes we can forget that when we all get heated in recaps, have bad reps or rehearsals, whatever; at the end of the day, its just marching band. #LetsAllBeGoodPeople

There are at least 20 points that can be taken from GE and distributed to these sections.

Amen. I would love to see these two groups recognized more and added to BOA captions!

SAVE ME SUPERBAND

Further insults, zero discussion, just as expected.

Hilarious response, just as expected.