Popular Post PercMom2104 Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Posted October 26, 2023 I feel that more students increases funding/booster/parent support, which leads to improved quality due to ability to pay for choreographers, show designers, etc. It is hard to compete against the larger bands. I like how NTCA categorizes percussion ensembles based on score history and similar-ability groups compete against each other. Groups can move up in categories as their scores improve. I think it levels the playing field better and makes for great competition. BandMom2026, Dallas Hobbs and BandNerd07 3 Quote
Gehrig4 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 3:03 PM, PercMom2104 said: I feel that more students increases funding/booster/parent support, which leads to improved quality due to ability to pay for choreographers, show designers, etc. It is hard to compete against the larger bands. I like how NTCA categorizes percussion ensembles based on score history and similar-ability groups compete against each other. Groups can move up in categories as their scores improve. I think it levels the playing field better and makes for great competition. Expand all this says is there is a "open class" competition and a "world class" (or state class) competition. in the end, all were doing is focusing on the competition and not the experience. There's only one winner. But there's dozens of bands. if winning is the only outcome - (and not improvement, teamwork, and the experience of performing) there's hundreds of losers. I'm not sure that's the case! Dallas Hobbs and Zil 1 1 Quote
Popular Post BandMom2026 Posted October 26, 2023 Popular Post Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 3:31 PM, Gehrig4 said: all this says is there is a "open class" competition and a "world class" (or state class) competition. in the end, all were doing is focusing on the competition and not the experience. There's only one winner. But there's dozens of bands. if winning is the only outcome - (and not improvement, teamwork, and the experience of performing) there's hundreds of losers. I'm not sure that's the case! Expand No one means that winning is the only outcome. But, it is disheartening to students who work their tails off to not even be considered for a finalist position because of their band size. If you never make it to finals, and always end up on the lower scoring side because your program is so small then kids aren't going to want to be in that program because it's not showing that it's excelling even if the only reason that they aren't qualifying is because of their size. tubapop, PercMom2104 and BandNerd07 3 Quote
BandNerd07 Posted October 26, 2023 Author Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 5:53 PM, BandMom2026 said: No one means that winning is the only outcome. But, it is disheartening to students who work their tails off to not even be considered for a finalist position because of their band size. If you never make it to finals, and always end up on the lower scoring side because your program is so small then kids aren't going to want to be in that program because it's not showing that it's excelling even if the only reason that they aren't qualifying is because of their size. Expand I 100% agree with you on this. If bands like Mansfield, South Grand Prairie, and North Crowley were in 5A Area F, they would probably have a real chance of making finals because I know all 3 of these bands are better that finalists such as Grapevine, Saginaw, and Summit. Again, it just comes down to the size of the bands. And it's not just 6A either, there are some 5A bands with a size of a 6A band, such as Aledo, Richland, and Azle. This "issue" applies to every are IMO. Quote
Popular Post Gehrig4 Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 5:53 PM, BandMom2026 said: No one means that winning is the only outcome. But, it is disheartening to students who work their tails off to not even be considered for a finalist position because of their band size. If you never make it to finals, and always end up on the lower scoring side because your program is so small then kids aren't going to want to be in that program because it's not showing that it's excelling even if the only reason that they aren't qualifying is because of their size. Expand We’re going to agree to disagree. You’re essentially saying bands that build great tradition should then only compete against similar bands that haven’t. A school scheduling against band as you say they have has made a choice. It isn’t for the arts. schools that prioritize the arts - hire the teachers. Allow lessons during the day. Build the facilities. All of it. just like athletics. They hire the coaches. Build the facilities. Prioritize the activity. Which then leads to interest and success. If you don’t want to compete against those bands - don’t. There are lower level showcases and non judged expos that kids can march in. you can’t say you want to compete and then say you don’t like the game. enjoy the ride. I’m sure the kids do. pancake, BandGuy88, BandNerd07 and 1 other 4 Quote
Vidal28 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 12:49 PM, Gehrig4 said: We’re going to agree to disagree. You’re essentially saying bands that build great tradition should then only compete against similar bands that haven’t. A school scheduling against band as you say they have has made a choice. It isn’t for the arts. schools that prioritize the arts - hire the teachers. Allow lessons during the day. Build the facilities. All of it. just like athletics. They hire the coaches. Build the facilities. Prioritize the activity. Which then leads to interest and success. If you don’t want to compete against those bands - don’t. There are lower level showcases and non judged expos that kids can march in. you can’t say you want to compete and then say you don’t like the game. enjoy the ride. I’m sure the kids do. Expand At the same time, building up the culture a program would want takes time, support of course matters in being able to fulfill potential and all that, but it all takes time to develop. Size can only fix so much, but if the students aren’t developed enough to succeed, it doesn’t really matter. Positive growth in any form requires the cultivation and planning to make happen Quote
BandNerd07 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Posted November 7, 2023 So I know we sent 7 bands to state year, but I'm afraid that might be a one time thing, mainly because a lot of bands here are being dropped down to 5A like Paschal, Chisholm Trail, DeSoto, and Highland Park, with not really a lot of replacements. I know we have Lancaster and Bryan Adams, but I doubt that they would qualify. Me might possibly also get Aledo and Granbury but it honestly just depends on the conference cutoffs (likely will be released in the first week of December). I don't know what the future holds for Area B but we might be back to only sending 5-6 bands to state. It just seems like the only way to certify 7 bands is to rezone another region to Area B. Quote
crunchycookie3 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 8:53 PM, BandNerd07 said: So I know we sent 7 bands to state year, but I'm afraid that might be a one time thing, mainly because a lot of bands here are being dropped down to 5A like Paschal, Chisholm Trail, DeSoto, and Highland Park, with not really a lot of replacements. I know we have Lancaster and Bryan Adams, but I doubt that they would qualify. Me might possibly also get Aledo and Granbury but it honestly just depends on the conference cutoffs (likely will be released in the first week of December). I don't know what the future holds for Area B but we might be back to only sending 5-6 bands to state. It just seems like the only way to certify 7 bands is to rezone another region to Area B. Expand It seems like we’re due for a big UIL/TMEA region-area realignment this year. Maybe DFW will get split into 3 areas like Houston already is. I suppose we’ll see come February 1st! Quote
LostChoirGuy Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 Fossil Ridge will likely be dropping to 5A also. I think in two years we may see several new 6A groups though. Quote
PercMom2104 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 8:53 PM, BandNerd07 said: So I know we sent 7 bands to state year, but I'm afraid that might be a one time thing, mainly because a lot of bands here are being dropped down to 5A like Paschal, Chisholm Trail, DeSoto, and Highland Park, with not really a lot of replacements. I know we have Lancaster and Bryan Adams, but I doubt that they would qualify. Me might possibly also get Aledo and Granbury but it honestly just depends on the conference cutoffs (likely will be released in the first week of December). I don't know what the future holds for Area B but we might be back to only sending 5-6 bands to state. It just seems like the only way to certify 7 bands is to rezone another region to Area B. Expand Where did you see these schools are dropping to 5A? Quote
crunchycookie3 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 Hear me out: One area contest centered around each metro: Houston (call it East TX), DFW (North TX), SA/Austin (Central TX), and combine South & West TX. These 4 areas could then implement the 7-judge state system so that criteria at the area and state levels are identical (honestly my biggest qualm with UIL right now). This would also allow for areas to properly send more bands to state based on the allotment from regions. For example, Houston area could have sent 15 bands to state this year (instead, they sent 14.) In this case, there may not even be a need nor time for a prelims-finals format. Just one big go at it. Thoughts? Quote
BandNerd07 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 9:55 PM, PercMom2104 said: Where did you see these schools are dropping to 5A? Expand https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/10/25/2023-uil-snapshot-day-enrollment-figures?ref=article_preview_img The list of schools and their enrollment numbers can be found here. Although nothing is confirmed yet (until the UIL releases the conference cutoffs likely in early December), we do have a basic understanding on which schools will rise to 6A or drop to 5A. Quote
BandNerd07 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 9:57 PM, crunchycookie3 said: Hear me out: One area contest centered around each metro: Houston (call it East TX), DFW (North TX), SA/Austin (Central TX), and combine South & West TX. These 4 areas could then implement the 7-judge state system so that criteria at the area and state levels are identical (honestly my biggest qualm with UIL right now). This would also allow for areas to properly send more bands to state based on the allotment from regions. For example, Houston area could have sent 15 bands to state this year (instead, they sent 14.) In this case, there may not even be a need nor time for a prelims-finals format. Just one big go at it. Thoughts? Expand Yeah, I do like your idea. Actually, the 2A-4A Area contests are like that. You have Area A (West TX), Area B (North TX), Area C (East TX), Area D (Central TX), and Area E (South TX). I think there's a real possibility that the UIL will go with this model for 5A/6A but we'll just have to wait and see. Anyways, focusing on the DFW area, if they decide to not go with this and continue to do the 9 Area system, this is how it could work: Regions 5/30 become Area A East and the existing Area A becomes Area A West. There would be 17 bands at most so 7 bands would advance to finals and 3 advance to state. Regions 2, 24, and 25 become Area B. There would be 21 bands at most so 10 bands would advance to finals and 4 advance to state. Regions 3, 20, 21, and 31 become Area C. There would be 29 bands at most so 10 bands would advance to finals and 5 advance to state. So in result, you would have 12 bands in the DFW area advance to state. This is pretty much the same number of bands that currently advance, but we would more likely actually see 12 bands this way, with more areas. What do y'all think of this? crunchycookie3 1 Quote
tw2 Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 1:03 PM, Dallas Hobbs said: Ok I made up my mind (sort of lol) and I’m doing Area B prelims and area C finals. I’m here now for the beginning of the area b contest! So freaking excited!!! Good luck to ALL bands at area! Expand Legacy High school band? They beat Mansfield and are a pretty small band. Quote
littlejaw Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 9:57 PM, crunchycookie3 said: Hear me out: One area contest centered around each metro: Houston (call it East TX), DFW (North TX), SA/Austin (Central TX), and combine South & West TX. These 4 areas could then implement the 7-judge state system so that criteria at the area and state levels are identical (honestly my biggest qualm with UIL right now). This would also allow for areas to properly send more bands to state based on the allotment from regions. For example, Houston area could have sent 15 bands to state this year (instead, they sent 14.) In this case, there may not even be a need nor time for a prelims-finals format. Just one big go at it. Thoughts? Expand I suggest a new topic discussion, people wont be looking at these area threads now that they passed. It is an interesting idea, but how many bands end up performing at each UIL Area prelims? Does it make it a multi-day contest? Quote
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