bluebellbrass07 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 A quick comparison, and reasoning. *Note* I'm not bashing any band, I love both schools, and I love watching these two duke it out in recent years, I'm just pointing out what I saw, and what went through my head. The thing that got to me was that, sure Marcus was using props, but at the same time, their band didn't have nearly as many hold sets as Bell did. Marcus' music was pretty amazing hearing that clarity on the move. I loved watching the Bell band, but when I looked down i saw 5 synthesizers! Then when I looked even closer, I saw mic'd instruments within the band! When I looked at Marcus, I saw that the only mic'd instruments were the oboe, and bassoon. And you can't march those instruments. Both bands had high entertainment values, but for different reasons, for me, it looked like Bell was playing THEN marching most of their show, than marching AND playing. When Bell did play and march they had very slow easy to march tempos. Bell did have fast tempos, but on the other side of the field, the sections that were playing had either small steps, or were holding. This must be what the judges saw, because UIL is very strict on how they judge the DIFFICULTY and how well its executed, whereas BOA wants to know how cool of a show they can execute. Don't get me wrong, UIL and BOA both judge cleanliness, but when both bands are excellently clean where do you go? In my opinion, they went to difficulty. Congradulations to both Bell and Marcus on outstanding seasons, and I'll be rooting for Bell at Grand Nats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutespaz21 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 i don't think it should matter so much what the judges say, because we all know that its such a delicate process that we can't actually understand what is going through their heads at the time... they must have some reason for what they do and hence must be respected even if we don't agree with it... so, i think it should matter how you think you did, and if you did aamazing, well, then yes, you may be upset by what the judges thought, but does it really matter in the end??? congrats to all the bands that performed. it was a great accomplishment already getting there and extra congrats to the finalist bands!!! can't wait for two years from now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceeblue2 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I would agree with you, but you haven't seen the 6 or so posts that have been deleted today.... Oh dang I miss everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceeblue2 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) I'm sorry I thought everyone is entitled to their own opinion? You are. Edited November 5, 2008 by iceeblue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Where did coppel come from? We smoked them at the Arlington regional. Not trying to start an argument or anything but the judging really needs to be looked at. we got 1st in our area in front of duncanville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Im surprising myself by saying this but I actually trust the BOA judges A LOT more than the State judges now. With us being a "UIL" band and getting fourth while going to the BOA super regional and getting third is shocking to me. I figured that the top three would be the same. Where did coppel come from? We smoked them at the Arlington regional. Not trying to start an argument or anything but the judging really needs to be looked at. We feel like we were a top 3 band and with scores "3,4,5,6,7" it just couldnt happen, its all messed up. Just goes along with what the past 4 years have been for me. This post is kind of annoying considering all the success you have had. Nothing seems to be good enough? 4th place in 5a state? That is not bad at all. Your 4 years have been phenomenal if you are basing it on the fact of placements. You had a couple of "bad" placements here and there but over all you were EXTREMELY successful and you should be happy about that. But instead you complain about being 4th in the STATE. I'm sorry but I just can't understand how selfish some people can be. You aren't the only person to come on here and do that either. I guess I just think that if you come from a program that always experiences success it's taints your view on things a little. I don't know maybe I am just ranting but posts like this kind of tick me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhornfrk Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 This post is kind of annoying considering all the success you have had. Nothing seems to be good enough? 4th place in 5a state? That is not bad at all. Your 4 years have been phenomenal if you are basing it on the fact of placements. You had a couple of "bad" placements here and there but over all you were EXTREMELY successful and you should be happy about that. But instead you complain about being 4th in the STATE. I'm sorry but I just can't understand how selfish some people can be. You aren't the only person to come on here and do that either. I guess I just think that if you come from a program that always experiences success it's taints your view on things a little. I don't know maybe I am just ranting but posts like this kind of tick me off. Your right, I was just caught up in the moment. fourth in the state isnt bad at all. Im sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cppicc Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm sorry if some of the people from my band are seeming unappreciative. I know every person in our band is incredibly proud of how great our season is. I know I am, and I just want to say congrats to all the other bands. Ya'll did great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm sorry I thought everyone is entitled to their own opinion? what dfife is getting at is you're entitled to your opinion when you know what you're talking about. and seeing as dfife knows every single move the ld bell band makes, you dont want to state your opinion unless you know exactly what you're talking bout. just a warning for the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm sorry if some of the people from my band are seeming unappreciative. I know every person in our band is incredibly proud of how great our season is. I know I am, and I just want to say congrats to all the other bands. Ya'll did great! i liked y'alls show this yr. i saw it at BOA saturday. congrats for then and state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) what dfife is getting at is you're entitled to your opinion when you know what you're talking about. and seeing as dfife knows every single move the ld bell band makes, you dont want to state your opinion unless you know exactly what you're talking bout. just a warning for the future All they did was point out what they saw. And he pointed out the one thing they were mistaken about. Obviously everything else was fact or he would have said something... Edited November 6, 2008 by treblemaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediSaxSolis Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 My hat's off to Bell. I still think they deserved 1st. Marcus was great, but I still felt a lot more confident with Bell. Cedar Park was amazing, too. Among some of the nicest bands I've ever met, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txbandmom Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 does anyone know where i can order a dvd of the finals performances? i heard somewhere that you could order them online, but i dont know where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) All they did was point out what they saw. And he pointed out the one thing they were mistaken about. Obviously everything else was fact or he would have said something... he didnt say something because it's true. you might think it's true along with other people. but being involved with the bell band, everyone is told not to go onto these posting your opinion or bashing other bands... sooo theres a possibility he just kept his mouth shut out of respect for the band IN MY OPINION.. i dont agree with the comment about the about being judged on difficulty. I believe, from the few times i've seen marcus' and bell's shows, they're at least equally as difficult. like i said, its just my opinion. Edited November 6, 2008 by TXBandNerd07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 he didnt say something because it's true. maybe it is, maybe it isnt. but being involved with the bell band, everyone is told not to go onto these posting your opinion or bashing other bands... sooo maybe theres a possibility he just kept his mouth shut for the sake of the band. IN MY OPINION.. i dont agree with the comment about the about being judged on difficulty. I believe, from the few times i've seen marcus' and bell's shows, they're at least equally as difficult. like i said, its just my opinion. Isn't the first amendment great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissa94583 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Im surprising myself by saying this but I actually trust the BOA judges A LOT more than the State judges now. With us being a "UIL" band and getting fourth while going to the BOA super regional and getting third is shocking to me. I figured that the top three would be the same. Where did coppel come from? We smoked them at the Arlington regional. Not trying to start an argument or anything but the judging really needs to be looked at. We feel like we were a top 3 band and with scores "3,4,5,6,7" it just couldnt happen, its all messed up. Just goes along with what the past 4 years have been for me. Just some quick points.. At BOA our show was about 75% complete and the color guard didn't have flag work for the last 2 movements. Those factors could have attribute to your band 'smoking' us at that show. Our area show was the first time our show came together and we finished first in that. All I add is keep striving to reach the level of Marcus. Once your school is there then the 'judging' digression will not be a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Isn't the first amendment great? lol. i suppose so. minus the people who abuse it by coming on here and bashing bands and boasting about theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Just some quick points.. At BOA our show was about 75% complete and the color guard didn't have flag work for the last 2 movements. Those factors could have attribute to your band 'smoking' us at that show. Our area show was the first time our show came together and we finished first in that. All I add is keep striving to reach the level of Marcus. Once your school is there then the 'judging' digression will not be a factor. i like coppell's band. not necessarily their shows but from what i've seen in the past i've always remembered coppell as march very clean. they may not be the best but at least their marchings good.(from what i've seen lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 lol. i suppose so. minus the people who abuse it by coming on here and bashing bands and boasting about theirs. True. But they are entitled to do so under it. They choose to make a fool out of themselves then get eaten alive on here. :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morebueno Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Funny how Churchills marching scores saved thier butt in prelims.. and they were dead last in finals.. hmm. Sad to hear berkner at 11th place... that place always sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Funny how Churchills marching scores saved thier butt in prelims.. and they were dead last in finals.. hmm. Sad to hear berkner at 11th place... that place always sucks How is that funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 True. But they are entitled to do so under it. They choose to make a fool out of themselves then get eaten alive on here. :] true true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_a_texas_girl Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 It's getting hot in here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBandNerd07 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 How is that funny? I think it sucks that Reagan isnt a big competing band anymore. they didnt even make state and they placed last in finals at BOA sa. guess thats what happens when your school splits and director leaves.. hope they get back up there. they use to be one of bell's biggest competitions when i was at Bell. and so was churchill... apparently now thats changed to marcus over the past few yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaredrummer54321 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 whaaat? hey im on the fossil ridge snare line and i just wanted to say your show is really cool... and good luck at pasic tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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