Serardian Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 http://www.skrampsnewplace.com/videos/Spring1993.wmv It's around the 3:00 mark. And that's REALLY cool. Looks like DNA replication. *nerd moment* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
get0verit Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 hey get over it who are u just curious? and In my opinion i dont think u can really compare the shows.. Cuz they are some what to different in a way i guess. One deals with visuals for only marching. By this i mean they dont have body visuals like lunges and such like we have now, and the other deals with many Visuals for BOA like crawling and random scatter sets. So i think both the shows are great just it really cant compare with each other because they are completely different. Notice the year difference "93" -"06" Who am I? Just guess! Guys wanna touch my chest. AHAHAHAHAH just kidding I don't even know why I thought of that. I'm the voice of reason. That's all you must know. And you have a valid argument. Point taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCHSParent Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Butting in here briefly... Just thought you would like to know...UIL has posted a ruling. You can find it here... http://www.uil.utexas.edu/music/CHS-DHStie-breaker.html (Did not copy due to length of ruling). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dciguy085 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 UIL sucks. The system is flawed. I will not name names, but a lot of bands who should have been in finals weren't, and a lot of bands who made finals shouldn't have... It's obvious... If you've been around the activity, you'd see that... UIL has the most archaic, nonsensical scoring system I've ever seen... This is truly a disservice the the many participants... Also, the judging was ludicrous... How on earth can the placements produce that much inconsistency.... A thurough investigation and re-evaluation of the current scoring system needs to happen immediately. Changes need to be made to insure that these kinds of gross discrepencies quit happening. All I want to see is consistency. My opinion, go to a BOA/DCI style format. This is the national standard. I don't see why Texas needs to operate on a different set of rules and criteria than the rest of the country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolest_kid_ever Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 what do yall think about spring, haltom, the woodlands, and cp not making finals? who did you get to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMonicax Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Thus Reagan and Duncanville were ranked highest by two judges each. Then by factoring in the ranking of Judge 2 to break the tie, Duncanville ranked highest. Thus, Duncanville was awarded the Third Place in the contest. Hmmmm... seems to me that if the way they did it was because Duncanville made highest by two judges and Reagan made highest by two judges, than wouldn't their original order be Duncanville, Reagan, Churchill before they realized they messed up? My guess is their "they made this many 1s so they win" business is a cover-up for the fact that they did it the right way but UIL judges just can't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dciguy085 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 The big shock for me was that only 1 band from Houston made it... Langham... Nobody from area F made it... Spring, Brazoswood, Woodlands, etc.... I was like "...what?" Same thing with Austin... I don't get it... I won't name names, but there were at least 2-3 bands in finals that I KNOW a LOT of people agree didn't belong there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dciguy085 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I think it's funny, and very telling, that almost none of our predictions were anywhere near close... It just shows that what the vast majority of the community and "people in the know" want to happen doesnt... sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnilli Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 i think next time i'll pull up the predictions page, close my eyes, and randomly click the screen till i get 10 bands in finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syclone1635 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 You guys gotta remember, that even though some of these bands did or didn't deserve to be in finals, It's not their fault at all. They put it out there, and it was up to the judges after that. Although I will join in on some disagreement on judge's scores and ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dciguy085 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Nobody is blaming those bands... They were all great... We're blaming the judges and the scoring system. period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3rdu5 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 hahaha, I agree with tnilli. Watching finals was...alright. Sure we were all disappointed with not making finals, but a lot of us were excited to be able to see many great bands perform for us. We've had MANY weird time slots this year so we haven't gotten to see a lot of marching shows...so I was happy that the freshmen could finally see what we actually do, and how cool it looks. Plus, I finally got to see BELL! Haha. Though it wasn't their full show, it was still amazing. I had chills the whole time. Marcus was amazing as well. I loved everything they did. Overall, State was lots of fun. congrats to all the bands! and I'm glad to see that they are awarding both Duncanville and Churchill third place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syclone1635 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Nobody is blaming those bands... They were all great... We're blaming the judges and the scoring system. period. Oh I know. I totally agree with you too. I Can't express through a keyboard how incredibly angered I am over some of the judges decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmCheezItsYay Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 eh. what can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsstephenyo Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 BOA Super Regional Finals > UIL State Finals At least from an entertainment point of view. To me, at least. I wasn't at State, but just by the names and past shows, I could tell it wasn't near as exciting as BOA SA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3rdu5 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Oh, I totally agree with that. From a spectator's POV, I would much rather be at Super Regionals that at State. But that's because I love shows that are extremely visual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron067 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 How can any of you be upset over the Prelims results? Did any of you see all of the bands? I doubt it. At least 5 of the bands that made finals were expected to. Of the other 5, two made it two years ago, one has traditionally been in the finals at every SMC except two years ago, another has been impressing people all season, and the last was ranked third going into the finals. If you still want to argue, then think about whether you've seen all of these bands this year or not. Most of you hadn't seen even the top 10 before State, much less the top 15. Even if we were to starting dropping highest/lowest scores, the same ten would have been in the finals with only a few changes in order. The simple fact is that so many bands in Texas have improved over the last two years that there is no longer a small, elite group. There are individual bands that stick out, but the top tier of bands has grown quite a bit since the last 5A State Marching Contest. In the end, this can only mean that the level of achievement (and competition) is increasing throughout the state, which will do nothing but benefit high school band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGiggles Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 But the UIL judging system of inconsistent ranking as opposed to raw scores is what is bothering people. Many bands deserve to make the finals roster, but only a select few make it in. Although all these bands did deserve it, the ranking system chose bands who in many people's opinions were less deserving than others. Seeing Ronald Reagan getting I believe a 23 and a 4 in music isn't just "difference of opinion." Difference of opinion would look like 4 and 7, not close enough to be state champ (4) and close enough to question advancing (23). Same thing happened with Akins, 2 and 21. You also can't drop the high and low since the judging format wasn't built for that. The judging panel would have to be larger and maybe designed differently, because for 3 music and 2 marching, you can't drop a high and a low. You can't drop a high and a low with two categories mixed together either. Dropping a high or low marching score would leave only 1 opinion on a bands marching, and that opinion could be biased and wrong. There'd have to be more judges and a different designed for the high and low to take place, so it would not be the same if we just dropped the high and low based on those results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis Fang Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I dunno if you replied to my idea, cuz was exactly how I had suggested to fix the 4 and 23 thing. Add an extra judge, and drop the highest *worst, the 23 in this case* score. I dunno if I said add the extra judges though. And there's more that needs to be fixed than just that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGiggles Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I was replying to Aaron67, my apologies for the confusion. I was basically saying that the high and low would not work out with the current (3 music, 2 marching) UIL format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsstephenyo Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 How about they just get rid of the ranking system altogether? It's obvious that it doesn't work, year after year, yet UIL continues to hope that the next 5A competition won't SUCK as horribly as the one before. Add a field judge to score individual marching and one to judge music and get rid of the ranking system. Heck, I don't even care if they don't take into account GE. At the very least, let's give consistent scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGiggles Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 In TMEA when we do auditions for all-state, at all the different levels, we have 5 judges, with the high and low being dropped. I would like to have a similar method, it's just that 10 judges, 5 music and 5 marching would probably be too costly and maybe a little unorthodox, but probably a more accurate opinion could be deciphered, even with difference of opinion between the judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefoxden Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 First and foremost, I'd like to add my congratulations to all of the bands who represented outstanding music programs in the state of Texas. I appreciate all of the hard work and dedication that goes in to the shows and my hat is off to each and every one of the kids, staff, and parents who make it all possible. It truly is a pleasure to see young people involved in such a positive activity. The lessons learned will surely last a lifetime. While I was disappointed that my child's band did not make finals (SFA, of course I thought the show was fabulous ), I can honestly say that I couldn't be more proud. Austin band members, you will Be Remembered!! Your show will be remembered; your dignity and grace will be remembered and your hard work and dedication will be remembered. Each member put his/her heart and soul in to the performance. Because I know how much went in to our show, I know without a doubt that this was the case with all the bands at SMC. So whether or not your band made finals, hold your head high. You kiddos are great!! From and admiring band parent/fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikilledabird39 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 That wasn't off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lar-ghetto Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 That wasn't off topic. That wasn't rude. (sarcasm) It's rare that a band parent posts on a forum. Come on now, they just wanted to congratulate the UIL State Participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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