UIL 4A AREA B 2025

[dfwhorn]

4 hours ago, bxOxAxUIL said:

I just can’t see Gatesville, who came in 8th at state, not making it the next year.

That was a mistake on my end, still getting used to 4A a bit. Whenever I get the chance I will adjust it because year they'll probably make it after me looking at it

[wtxbd02]

Gatesville I think is about to be one of the next consistent rising starts in 4A, trajectory over 2022-2024 has been very impressive.  2022 made it and placed a little lower, 2023 was just out of finals, 2024 a few places in finals.  Wouldn't be surprised if that continued upward.  

[bxOxAxUIL]

37 minutes ago, LKendrick said:

Gatesville I think is about to be one of the next consistent rising starts in 4A, trajectory over 2022-2024 has been very impressive.  2022 made it and placed a little lower, 2023 was just out of finals, 2024 a few places in finals.  Wouldn't be surprised if that continued upward.  

Especially if Celina, Panther Creek, & Davenport move up to 5A 

[TenLostDogs]

With the possible addition of Richland, Area B could send 6 to state. Two more first divisions were needed to get to 6 state qualifiers I think. 
 
 

Preseason Guess 

1. PC

2. Gatesville

3. CS

4. Krum

5. Aubrey

6. Alvarado

7. Stephenville 

8. Robinson

9. Springtown

10. Sanger/Castleberry/Brock

 

 

 

[Lemonpanda2328]

4 hours ago, TenLostDogs said:

With the possible addition of Richland, Area B could send 6 to state. Two more first divisions were needed to get to 6 state qualifiers I think. 
 
 

Preseason Guess 

1. PC

2. Gatesville

3. CS

4. Krum

5. Aubrey

6. Alvarado

7. Stephenville 

8. Robinson

9. Springtown

10. Sanger/Castleberry/Brock

 

 

 

I honestly think this is the most realistic ranking made so far (besides maybe flipping Robinson and Alvarado)

[Tubaplaya2011]

On 4/22/2025 at 8:25 PM, FormerWildcat said:

Although people seem to see Area C as the hardest area for 4A, I definitely think B's the deepest. I would consider more than half of last year's lineup at least decent when a few years ago you'd be hard pressed to make that statement for a quarter of any 4A area's field. I think Panther Creek's two-year extended stay really motivated several bands to up their game: Stephenville and Aubrey in particular come to mind.

WAY TOO EARLY PREDICTIONS [Hopefully 12 bands make it to finals!]

1. Panther Creek

2. China Spring

3. Aubrey

4. Krum

5. Robinson

6. Alvarado

7. Gatesville

8. Stephenville

9. Kennedale

10. Brock

11. Godley

12. Springtown

Also in finals [even state with the right show] contention: Castleberry, Sanger, Lake Dallas, Southwest

Godley has a couple USBands comps on the list this year and their show is “EyeConic”, it’s gonna be interesting to see how many from Region 30 make it to Finals as this will be the 2nd year in Area B for them.

[Tubaplaya2011]

On 7/12/2025 at 12:59 PM, TenLostDogs said:

With the possible addition of Richland, Area B could send 6 to state. Two more first divisions were needed to get to 6 state qualifiers I think. 
 
 

Preseason Guess 

1. PC

2. Gatesville

3. CS

4. Krum

5. Aubrey

6. Alvarado

7. Stephenville 

8. Robinson

9. Springtown

10. Sanger/Castleberry/Brock

 

 

 

Which also would’ve meant 12 finalists

[Walton]

Does anyone know when the draw order will be released?

[Lemonpanda2328]

Just thought I'd post this incase it sways anyone's rankings or opinions. Go Gatesville!

[percussion486]

It's been a while since anyone has posted on here but what are yalls opinion on where Kennedale will be placed?

[TenLostDogs]

Hare are some interesting Non-UIL 4A Area B contest matchups. This was a quick compilation from the Non-UIL section of this website is not complete for sure. The Melissa Showcase looks to be really interesting. Feel free to edit or add.

Also,

The draw order is out and Prosper Richland HS is officially included in Area B.

 

USBands Burleson

Godley

Robinson

Sanger

 

Godley Marching Festival 

Brock

Castleberry

Alverado 

Venus

 

Melissa Marching Showcase

Krum

Robinson

Springtown

China Spring 

Area C Powerhouses

 

Don Hanna 

Kennedale

Krum

 

Aubery Marching Classic 

Kennedale

Lake Dallas

Springtown

 

BOA Round Rock

Krum

Gatesville

 

 

[percussion486]

31 minutes ago, TenLostDogs said:

Hare are some interesting Non-UIL 4A Area B contest matchups. This was a quick compilation from the Non-UIL section of this website is not complete for sure. The Melissa Showcase looks to be really interesting. Feel free to edit or add.

Also,

The draw order is out and Prosper Richland HS is officially included in Area B.

 

USBands Burleson

Godley

Robinson

Sanger

 

Godley Marching Festival 

Brock

Castleberry

Alverado 

Venus

 

Melissa Marching Showcase

Krum

Robinson

Springtown

China Spring 

Area C Powerhouses

 

Don Hanna 

Kennedale

Krum

 

Aubery Marching Classic 

Kennedale

Lake Dallas

Springtown

 

BOA Round Rock

Krum

Gatesville

 

 

So these are supposed to be the top contenders in each non-UIL contest for 4A? Also if anybody could share the full draw order for Area B that would be nice to know.

[TenLostDogs]

4 minutes ago, percussion486 said:

So these are supposed to be the top contenders in each non-UIL contest for 4A? Also if anybody could share the full draw order for Area B that would be nice to know.

Just 4A Area B. I didn’t see Panther Creek in any of these.

[percussion486]

Ah gotcha. My director said the draw order for Area B was released but I can't find anything online about it.

[J-Mike16]

1 hour ago, percussion486 said:

Ah gotcha. My director said the draw order for Area B was released but I can't find anything online about it.

 

[TexasStrangers]

3 hours ago, J-Mike16 said:

 

Do you have a 4A Area C and 3A Area C draw?

[J-Mike16]

1 hour ago, TexasStrangers said:

Do you have a 4A Area C and 3A Area C draw?

Haha I wish! Thought they said that starting this year, they would release all of that. So far, nothing.

[TexasStrangers]

42 minutes ago, J-Mike16 said:

Haha I wish! Thought they said that starting this year, they would release all of that. So far, nothing.

It's probably been done just not posted anywhere for people to see.

 

So, if you draw a 1 does that mean you will perform 1st in Prelims at Area if you qualify where as China Spring would go last at 49?

[J-Mike16]

5 minutes ago, TexasStrangers said:

It's probably been done just not posted anywhere for people to see.

 

So, if you draw a 1 does that mean you will perform 1st in Prelims at Area if you qualify where as China Spring would go last at 49?

Correct.

[FormerWildcat]

3 minutes ago, TexasStrangers said:

It's probably been done just not posted anywhere for people to see.

 

So, if you draw a 1 does that mean you will perform 1st in Prelims at Area if you qualify where as China Spring would go last at 49?

I don't see how it would be done any differently. The draw order is valid for prelims only with a separate draw for finals on the day of the competition. I will note that since last year, finals across the UiL areas has been done in a bottom half/break/top half format.

[TexasStrangers]

1 minute ago, FormerWildcat said:

I don't see how it would be done any differently. The draw order is valid for prelims only with a separate draw for finals on the day of the competition. I will note that since last year, finals across the UiL areas has been done in a bottom half/break/top half format.

I think most Non UIL contests also do the Bottom 5 or 6 Perform in the Top Half of Finals and the Top 5 or 6 Perform in the end. 

[TenLostDogs]

It looks like the new Prosper Richland HS could be a factor to consider for 4A area B to consider. They are practically a 5A affluent school competing in the 4A  classification due to being new. I looked into them briefly from their school website and social media. It looks like their enrollment will be about 1250 mostly grade 9-11. The district allowed seniors to stay at their current school. If you were to factor in a full senior class they would easily fall into 5A. Richland  band students will come from from large and successful programs. The middle schools that feed them that also have a big school mindset, affluent population, and great resources. Looking at social media they will have good marching numbers for a new program of around 100 based on pictures but not sure exactly. 
 

Bottom line is they could definitely be a factor in area finals and they could stick around for next UIL realignment. I am not sure how the snapshot works counting a senior class not here this year but will be full 9-12 next year. The one positive is Area B only needed two more 1s to get that 6th state slot. 
 

I am sure someone has more information. Thoughts?

[FormerWildcat]

26 minutes ago, TenLostDogs said:

It looks like the new Prosper Richland HS could be a factor to consider for 4A area B to consider. They are practically a 5A affluent school competing in the 4A  classification due to being new. I looked into them briefly from their school website and social media. It looks like their enrollment will be about 1250 mostly grade 9-11. The district allowed seniors to stay at their current school. If you were to factor in a full senior class they would easily fall into 5A. Richland  band students will come from from large and successful programs. The middle schools that feed them that also have a big school mindset, affluent population, and great resources. Looking at social media they will have good marching numbers for a new program of around 100 based on pictures but not sure exactly. 
 

Bottom line is they could definitely be a factor in area finals and they could stick around for next UIL realignment. I am not sure how the snapshot works counting a senior class not here this year but will be full 9-12 next year. The one positive is Area B only needed two more 1s to get that 6th state slot. 
 

I am sure someone has more information. Thoughts?

I think Panther Creek may be a good comparison. In their opening year, they actually missed state but have since become a consistent top 3 powerhouse at the 4A level. Last year, Eagle Mountain, despite coming from a fairly high-achieving district, didn't place very high at area. Prosper ISD bands always seem to have a very quick rise to relevance, though; I believe Rock Hill & Walnut Grove both made area finals at the 5A level in their opening years. The head director comes from a 6A program that has never made state, but has gotten close to there on multiple occasions.

[TexasStrangers]

8 hours ago, TenLostDogs said:

It looks like the new Prosper Richland HS could be a factor to consider for 4A area B to consider. They are practically a 5A affluent school competing in the 4A  classification due to being new. I looked into them briefly from their school website and social media. It looks like their enrollment will be about 1250 mostly grade 9-11. The district allowed seniors to stay at their current school. If you were to factor in a full senior class they would easily fall into 5A. Richland  band students will come from from large and successful programs. The middle schools that feed them that also have a big school mindset, affluent population, and great resources. Looking at social media they will have good marching numbers for a new program of around 100 based on pictures but not sure exactly. 
 

Bottom line is they could definitely be a factor in area finals and they could stick around for next UIL realignment. I am not sure how the snapshot works counting a senior class not here this year but will be full 9-12 next year. The one positive is Area B only needed two more 1s to get that 6th state slot. 
 

I am sure someone has more information. Thoughts?

Snapshots are basically the school district sending in a total roster count of everyone enrolled at the high school every year and then UIL taking that information and deciding on what the classification cutoffs are.  So, if there is a new school that doesn't have a Senior or Junior Class it doesn't matter which is why you see several schools that are 4A's and will soon be 5A's once they have a students in all grade levels.

[Gpk1968]

On 8/25/2025 at 2:00 PM, TenLostDogs said:

Just 4A Area B. I didn’t see Panther Creek in any of these.

Panther creek’s pre-uil contest choices have consistently baffled me for three years. I don’t know why their directors pick the contests they pick but they really don’t go head to head their main competitors until area (and now with region 25 out of area b, it’s the state contest). 
 

last year I didn’t see their show until state. The past two years, I saw them at area.