UIL 5A AREA C 2025

[Idkwhattoputhere]

Just now, bandloserrr said:

Honestly good for them. Placement might've been wrong at the start but they claimed that spot and made them think twice, cool!

Yeah they are proving to be a really good contender for area, after a couple of last years scores, I feel like people have been sleeping on them a lot more. But that just makes the area way more interesting because if we look at it now

at the start of the season HP beat both Kaufman and Lakeview

But it looks like it flipped now

Last week poteet beat Kaufman and red oak was close behind catching up to Kaufman and Lakeview seemed to have a similar story with north mesquite only loosing by .500

this area in general is being sleeped on by how competitive it is 

[sigmaboi]

mp 

[gluecoat]

8 hours ago, bandlover27 said:

West mesquite did get best in class in prelims but there was in error and they announced it incorrectly. West director was talking about it after the announcements. Also probably why they took so long announcing scores

If I recall correctly, the original scoring system was having some technical difficulties, so a different scoring system was used. the original scoring system was ordinal points, and results were announced using that system, which lakeview got best 5a band in.

[Idkwhattoputhere]

12 hours ago, Lazytpter said:

If I recall correctly, the original scoring system was having some technical difficulties, so a different scoring system was used. the original scoring system was ordinal points, and results were announced using that system, which lakeview got best 5a band in.

You’re right but I think they’re also not wrong because I heard somewhere that west mesquite did get a trophy regardless 

[Alexa890]

Any new predictions on who’s making area finals?

[bandsmakemedanse]

🚨Judging panel dropped🚨

[Idkwhattoputhere]

2 hours ago, Alexa890 said:

Any new predictions on who’s making area finals?

Honestly too hard to say but I’ll try

1st poteet/ LC

2nd LC/ Poteet

3rd North mesquite 

4th Kaufman/West/ HP

5th West/ Kaufman/ Hp

6th HP/ west/ Kaufman 

7th red oak

8th Marshall

9th Terell

10th Uhhhh

[Alexa890]

29 minutes ago, Idkwhattoputhere said:

Honestly too hard to say but I’ll try

1st poteet/ LC

2nd LC/ Poteet

3rd North mesquite 

4th Kaufman/West/ HP

5th West/ Kaufman/ Hp

6th HP/ west/ Kaufman 

7th red oak

8th Marshall

9th Terell

10th Uhhhh

No mp?

[Alexa890]

And to be honest Marshall really ain’t looking good from what I heard they been getting 10th and 9th places in comps lately

[Idkwhattoputhere]

2 minutes ago, Alexa890 said:

No mp?

!!!! you’re so right I thought I listed them but I’ll add them from the 4th to 8th range, I know it’s low but I haven’t seen a lot of action from them like the other bands have  or heard a lot from them 

[sigmaboi]

5 hours ago, bandsmakemedanse said:

🚨Judging panel dropped🚨

what does it mean are these judges hard orrr??

[Bandbuddy7]

5A Area judge Steve Andre was previously the director of fine arts for MISD and most likely has ties with NM,WM,And Poteet… i see this as a conflict of interest. Thoughts? 

[sigmaboi]

4 minutes ago, Ashedfenix7 said:

5A Area judge Steve Andre was previously the director of fine arts for MISD and most likely has ties with NM,WM,And Poteet… i see this as a conflict of interest. Thoughts? 

intresting aint it.....

[Mj17]

46 minutes ago, Bandbuddy7 said:

5A Area judge Steve Andre was previously the director of fine arts for MISD and most likely has ties with NM,WM,And Poteet… i see this as a conflict of interest. Thoughts? 

That was over 2 years ago. I don’t think any fine arts director or judge at that would sacrifice their merits for any program to win a state spot without actually earning it. If Mesquite Isd has all 3 bands make state it’s because they’ve all worked hard and earned those positions.

[Benji_net]

3 minutes ago, Mj17 said:

That was over 12 years ago. I don’t think any fine arts director or judge at that would sacrifice their merits for any program to win a state spot without actually earning it. If Mesquite Isd has all 3 bands make state it’s because they’ve all worked hard and earned those positions.

He retired from MISD in the last few years, and hired the directors at NM,WM, and Poteet. If all 3 Mesquite bands qualify for state, there will be a massive asterisk on those titles.  

[Bandbuddy7]

6 minutes ago, Mj17 said:

That was over 12 years ago. I don’t think any fine arts director or judge at that would sacrifice their merits for any program to win a state spot without actually earning it. If Mesquite Isd has all 3 bands make state it’s because they’ve all worked hard and earned those positions.

Not knocking the work the MISD schools have done this season at all! Personally i feel like all three can advance with or without the judge..but my statement remains, it is a big risk for conflict of interest 

[Mj17]

Just now, tungtungsahur said:

He retired from MISD in the last few years, and hired the directors at NM,WM, and Poteet. If all 3 Mesquite bands qualify for state, there will be a massive asterisk on those titles.  

You do know all the directors from those schools were already directors in MISD. WM director came from a feeder middle school of NM. Poteet director is literally their old assistant director. This is also why there are 5 judges for scoring. One person isn’t going to hold the fate of every program. As I stated if all 3 schools make it to state it will be because they’ve earned a deserved it.

[arandomperrson]

from my research it seems steven andre was director of fine arts for mesquite isd from june 2012 all the way until july 2022
not saying this will affect the results in any way but i just wanted to get the facts straight

[Mj17]

2 minutes ago, arandomperrson said:

from my research it seems steven andre was director of fine arts for mesquite isd from june 2012 all the way until july 2022
not saying this will affect the results in any way but i just wanted to get the facts straight

Yes that is correct I meant to put 2 years ago in my original message. But again I don’t see this being a conflict of interest if anything I would think he would be more tough on said programs 

[Benji_net]

3 minutes ago, Mj17 said:

Yes that is correct I meant to put 2 years ago in my original message. But again I don’t see this being a conflict of interest if anything I would think he would be more tough on said programs 

If they worked together at all, especially for such an extended period of time, that is textbook conflict of interest. Also, assuming that he would be harsher on programs he is likely fond of because of that personal connection, is naive

[arandomperrson]

9 minutes ago, Mj17 said:

Yes that is correct I meant to put 2 years ago in my original message. But again I don’t see this being a conflict of interest if anything I would think he would be more tough on said programs 

you may be right but hopefully this doesnt cause any further issues especially since at area some people might be salty about the results and attribute the "poor judging" to the fact that one of the judges was a past director for mesquite isd
this is exactly what happened last year when a rumor arose after area that one of the judges was a past director for poteet, of course last year it was just a rumor but this year its already for the most part confirmed to be true
this will definitely cause some issues regardless of whether they are justified or not

[sigmaboi]

idk but usally every area has directors from other area judging, this will still go on to show bias whether we believe they worked hard or not its just how it is 

[Mj17]

2 minutes ago, Benji_net said:

If they worked together at all, especially for such an extended period of time, that is textbook conflict of interest. Also, assuming that he would be harsher on programs he is likely fond of because of that personal connection, is naive

Assuming that a person will sacrifice their job and livelihood to help a program achieve something that they didn’t deserve is naive also to assume. This region always wants to bring up “cheating” when things don’t go the way of the people. I believe WM, NM, and Poteet are all going to make state this year just from going to comps they have attended this year so far and they have all been great. Of course still things to work on.

[Mj17]

3 minutes ago, sigmaboi said:

idk but usally every area has directors from other area judging, this will still go on to show bias whether we believe they worked hard or not its just how it is 

Technically he is from a different area lol. Just once was in Mesquite, but I get your point entirely 

[arandomperrson]

another concept id factor in is "implicit bias", which is basically subconscious bias formed over years of experience
even if this former mesquite director isnt inherently trying to biased and falsify the results, his 10 years at mesquite could definitely impact his perception of the mesquite schools subconsciously, so while they might be judging in good intentions, things could always go wrong when a past director is judging their own schools
i do think it would be best for the area if a different judge was chosen, even if the mesquite schools are likely to make state its always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to heated topics like these