euro_euph06
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Well all I can say is that they better paint the hashes better than they did at UIL this year. Couldnt tell where I was for the life of me.
If my memory serves me correctly that was Pfugerville, not the RRISD Athletic Complex. And it makes sense that a new multi-million dollar complex would have nice hashes.
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I liked SCV's music from 2005... why'd they score so low?
11th in GE Total
8th in Visual Total
9th in Music Total
8th Overall
...and just because you like the music does not change the judge's score. I like the music too but we are viewers, not judges. Judges are trained to score the corps according to standards set by the Drum Corps International, Inc.
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I really hope this show is a huge improvemnt over last years, either way i will still proabably love it!
Just becuase they had a fluke year (and it was) does not mean that the years before that were bad. Let us look at the results before 2005:
2004- 3rd
2003- 5th
2002- 4th
2001- 4th
2000- 4th
1999- 1st
1998- 2nd
1997- 3rd
1996- 5th
That is 9 straight years in the top 5. Only the Blue Devils and the Cadets have matched that during this time frame.
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I think the reason most people dislike props is that they are not use to seeing them placed on the field. Amd some bands/corps do not use them correctly or use do use then to their full potential. Props have been around for a long time. Would SCV '89 be the same without the mask?
I think people should judge the props of a certain band/corps when they see it (in person) instead of instantly hating the show before they even had a chance to see it.
But yes....I can't wait until DCI San Antonio!!! GO BLUEEEEEEE (Devils and Coats)!!!!!!!!
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What? Of? It??
(hee-hee lol)
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I am in the same quandry you are. I have discussed some possibilities with my lesson teacher. Here is what I plan to do:
To practice over the summer, I plan to borrow (or rent if necessary) a Euphonium to practice for the band placement audition for UH (or UT---haven't decided yet). During the summer, I also plan on working. When the semester starts next fall, I plan on taking a portion of my summer earnings and making a down payment (since I also have to pay tuition) on a Willson (or maybe a nice Yamaha). Then, depending on my financial situation, I will either make payments every month from my job or take out a student loan that can be paid after I graduate college. That is what I am doing. I hope it helped.
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Dude.....I really want to see this movie. Although---I still cant believe that Natalie Portman cut her hair!!! And I've heard that Huge Weaving (Agent Smith from the Matrix series and Elrond from the Lord of the Rings series) is V. Is that true?
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Day 2 Round-up
Northwestern State def. Iowa 64-63
Ohio State def. Davidson 70-62
Bucknell def. Arkansas 59-55
Arizona def. Wisconsin 94-75
Georgtown def. Northern Iowa 54-49
West Virginia over Southern Illinois 64-46
Memphis def. Oral Roberts 94-78
Nova def. Monmouth 58-45
George Mason def. Michigan State 75-65
Pittsburgh def Kent State 79-64
NC State def. California 58-52
Connecticut def. Albany 72-59
Bradley def Kansas 77-73
North Carolina def. Murray State 69-65
Texas def. Penn 60-52
Kentucky def. UAB 69-64
Wow.....what a day!!! Northwestern State over Iowa!!! BRADLEY over KANSAS!!! GEORGE MASON over MICHIGAN STATE (who went to the Final Four last year)!!! UCONN almost became the first 1 seed to lose to a 16. Overall good day.....time to recoup gear up for tomorrow.....where is my coffee.
I am currently 25/32. My wrong picks: Oklahoma, Kansas, Michigan State, Iowa, Marquette, Seton Hall, and Nevada.
Here is games for the weekend:
Saturday:
Duke vs. George Washington
Texas aTm vs. LSU
Indiana vs. Gonzaga
Alabama vs. UCLA
Boston College vs. Montana
Wisconsin-Milwaukee vs. Florida
Wichita State vs. Tennessee
Washington vs. Illinois
Sunday:
West Virginia vs. Northwestern State
NC State vs. Texas
Memphis vs. Bucknell
Pittsburgh vs. Bradley
Villanova vs. Arizona
Georgetown vs. Ohio State
Connecticut vs. Kentucky
George Mason vs. North Carolina
Seems to be a good weekend. Since my bracket is pretty screwed, here are my upset picks:
Arizona over Nova
Texas aTm over LSU
and my wish pick: Bucknell over Memphis.
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Going back to what was said before, I personally find really awesome high school groups more impressive because they don't get to pick from the best of the best. They get whatever students come to their school, and somehow get to be a really good group. Corps, on the other hand, can pick and choose the people with good attitudes, good technique, etc.
Corps don't "pick" what people show up to their camps!!! People who think they have what it takes goes to the camps and showcase their stuff. They either are asked to attend the next camp or improve some items for the next year. And I know some woodwind players who went to Top 12 Div. 1 corps on mallets or DM. It just takes hard work. In high school, some people tend to slack just because they dont give a darn. People choose to have good attitudes, technique, work ethic, etc......
I have to agree with Moose on this one.....Birds themselves produce music that can be pretty (unless they are crows--yuckee!!!). Hence they influence composer and other influental people.
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Did you see the Tennessee/Winthrop game? It was a very good game!!! It was better than the BC/Pacific Game!!!
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Im 2/3---darn Sooners.
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In marching band, you can do so much more idea wise, instrumentation wise, prop wise. Where do we see the more extravagant and "out there" shows? In marching band.
Uh...examples pl0x!!! If I want to see birds pecking the ground I'll go outside and watch it for free. w00t-w00t!!!
I have been supporting the drum corps activity for I don't know how many years. I've sponsored members and I've donated to corps. But, it is statements like that really turn me off about the activity.I'm sorry you feel that way. That is my opinion. DCI is just better (he-he).
Yes, drum corps as a whole are better than marching bands. But, there are bad corps as well. There is no denying that. Pioneers, Mandarins, Troopers and Kiwanis Kavaliers on the same level as Kennesaw Mountain, Lawrence Central, L.D. Bell, Ronald Reagan, Lassiter, Carmel??Not even close. Even if they are marching bands, there is a huge difference between said groups. Again, I hate comparing corps to bands and bands to corps. But, there is a clear difference between the lower-level of DCI and the upper-tier of a BOA Grand National Finalist band.
Mandarins is better than Carmel. I've seen both. Plus there are more Asians with the Mandarins
. But there are more (percentage based and based on scores, not defined by the schools themselves) "bad" high school marching bands than there are Division 1 Drum Corps.With that said.....
This will be my final $.02 on this matter. We are going to have to all disagree with one another on this one. It really is to good to hear how other people view about this. I only wish there were more people in this world that would appreciate the marching arts like we do.
Happy Marching.
I love inside jokes.
And mbui, I completely agree with your last statement; it is such controversy and love for the art that keeps it alive.Agreed.
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So why do your co-supporters for the HS bands so vehemently argue that, and I quote, "many talented bands in Texas and other states that could give them a run for there money. " Obviously, they (and you implied that you yourself) didn't seem to understand this basic fact. There is no capitalization involved here- we were making our arguement about DCI being better in order to establish our primary arguement in relation to the thread's topic.
You, on the other hand, are pulling your arguement in a completely different direction now; so I suppose you concede then that we were right after all? It's about time. Maybe you went and listened to/watched some recordings.
We have not once said anything about how impressive a band may be in context of its handicaps- we have only discussed the overall performance and it's correlation to influence in the realm of the marching arts.
It's not difficult at all for a violin to play high; its obvious you missed the point of having impressive range abilities with a brass instrument. I'll assume you simply have no experience with such things and thereofre have no context. Not so often indeed. And I wonder why not...
And are you bashing the Rite of Spring? Or Bartok's works? Surely not. Le Sacre du Pritemps is a groundbreaking work of art and it shatters much of what is percieved as orthodox. Talk about innovation!
Amen.
Exactly. A run for their money.I'm sure Carmel could go against Spirit or the Glassmen and give them a good run for it.
I'm not even going to say anything about your "range" comment, because its one of the more naive things you have said.
No Carmel wouldn't. They would give Kwananis Kavaliers a run for their money.
And of COURSE I'm bashing Rite of Spring. What a HORRIBLE piece of work. Everything I write is better than that Stravinsky hoax's garbage.Some of the stuff that has been said is just plain out funny, seriously.
LOL
I was pointing out that fact that all of those things simply take practice, as does playing high. You don't go nuts if a pianist plays one of Bartok's concertos. Or if you hear a recording of Dennis Brain doing a ridiculously fast lip trill. But playing high? Buy the guy a car or something. The emphasis put on high range is extremely out of proportion.The environment involved in piano concertos does not allow for people to go hog wild over an awesome performance of it.
I recommend that you listen to any Blue Devils performance. There is a reason that correlates to the success of them. Better yet, why dont you contact them and ask why they are so good. I am willing to go out on a limb and say things, but for the sake of time....infer.
So quit holding some vendetta. Yes, a top 5 drum corps is inevitably going to be better than the top marching band at Grand Nationals. Awesome. I said it. Bask in your glory.Seriously, some of you guys need to get out of your marching band shell every now and then.
Whats that?
We do get out of marching band "shells" but we are in a heated debate. Why leave?
Haha, thanks for taking what I said completely out of its context. I said woodwinds a neccesary instrument and texture, not that a woodwind choir could outplay a brass choir. Try reading the whole thing next time before jumping to a conclusion. Thanks.
But the fact that Carmel's show was a bunch of HIGHSCHOOL KIDS from EVERY GRADE doing it WILLINGLY is beyond belief, and that goes for any top marching band group. Period.
High notes? If I want high notes, I'll listen to a violin concerto, thanks much. Playing high isn't really all that amazing. Sure, it takes practice to do, but so does playing Bartok's piano concertos or Rite of Spring, or doing lip trills on french horn. But you don't wet your pants when you hear someone do a lip trill, even though its just as if not harder to do well then play high. Playing high is just a pretty "visceral" effect, if you will, nothing horribly musical about it.
I never said that. I said POWER. That has more POWER. Here is the word again: POWER. One mo gin: POWER. How bout in green: POWER. Learn to read. Duh, one brass player can outplay a ton of woodwinds.
DCI is also:
1) People-- mostly of age 14-21 in Div 1.
2) Everyone does it willingly.
High notes? Nothing musical about it? Blasphemy!!! It takes years for a trumpet player to develop the PROPER chops and embrouchere (sp) to play of a high quality. Woodwinds and Strings have a set range. Brass players (with a ton of practice) can play any note they want.
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We seem to have some elitists on our hands, eh?
All I can say is, a lack of woodwinds is not neccesarily a good thing. Brass players in general tend to think it is, but I would entreat any trumpet player to look at the clarinet part for Scherezade and tell me you don't need a clarinet. Or Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Fawn and tell me you don't need a flute. As a marching arts community, we tend to forget what we came from: symphonic music.
But on the blend side, seriously, have you sat and watched BOA finals? Some of it is just ridiculous. RIDICULOUS.
But rather than doing the immature thing and trying to be serious about the comparison, take it in stride and realize both sides do amazing things. Please.
Have you ever heard Fire of Eternal Glory. I have a recording of it. PM me with your email. You can not say that a woodwind choir could surpass the power of brass in this piece.
This year I had the opportunity to watch SA Super Regional Finals due to a bad stroke of luck. I wanted to poke my eyes out with my straw. Have you ever seen a DCI World Championship? That is awesome--from top to bottom. No one will surpass the Blue Devils, SCV, and the Cadets will the number of top placements. Ronald Reagan can't win 11 World Championships. Ever.
In marching band, the possibilities are endless. You can do so much more.What can you do so much more in? Why are the possibilities endless only in marching band? Just because there is rules "capping" what a corps can do, there is the same in BOA and definitely UIL.
Has any corps matched the power of Paul Hindemith's "Symphony in Bb" & "Symphonic Metamorphosis" like Spring HS, TX 1993?Ummm... Cavaliers did the march of Symphonic Metamorphosis in 1994. As does most H.S. marching bands in the country. Except they own any high school that ever did it manage to play it.
I am just going to come out and say it:
Division 1 DCI World Championship is better than BOA Grand Nats. Some shows might be as difficult as the Kwanisis Cavaliers and Pioneer, but not even Carmel and Ronald Reagan (and whoever else for that matter) would not scratch the surface of the Top 12 Finals in DCI. They do not have the time corps do. They do not have the work ethic of a corps. They do not have the resources corps have. No high school band has the money to travel almost 3 months around the nation.
DCI is superior to H.S. Marching Band. PERIOD.
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While drum corps as of late have caught up with the times, I still feel that marching band is ahead of the game regarding innovation in the marching arts. There are only two shows that have set the bar since the new millennium in drum corps. The 2002 Cavaliers and the 2005 Cadets.
About The 2005 Cadets...
Yes, that show was different for drum corps. However, it was not the most groundbreaking thing we have seen on the field. We have all seen more innovative and "extreme" shows in marching band.
Read Dan's post. He said it best.
Drum corps caught up with the times? I thought they started it. But that could just be me. You can't say that Reagon '03 had better innovative juices than Cavaliers '00 to '05. Same with Cadets '00 and '05. Even Crown '04, Bluecoats '05, Star '93, and the list goes on and on and on.
This is where the question gets murkier when you raise the question of which sheets you use.If you're using DCI sheets, the individual guard and percussion scores would be a large enough spread to knock good BOA groups out of Finals. However, BOA's emphasis is on the full ensemble and overall picture. Individual captions aren't rewarded as much numerically. Also, how can a judge fairly judge a drum corps in a marching band competition? No woodwinds = a problem.
Nonetheless, I think the "Can a marching band beat a drum corps?" debate is silly. There are so many issues that need to be addressed. And, you're comparing apples and oranges.
Full Ensemble=balance, in-tune, finesse (a.k.a Carolina Crown, Cavaliers, and others). No woodwinds=Awesome. Listen to the last 3 minutes of Cadets 2000. I am pretty sure that mello line (and others) would smoke a lot of woodwind sections at many high schools.
BTW--has any high school successfully (on a judging standpoint) put Niagra Falls on the field? What about Phantom of the Opera? Case and Point.
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Atlanta
1. Duke
2. Texas
3. Iowa
4. LSU
5. Syracuse
6. West Virginia
7. California
8. George Washington
9. UNC-Wilmington
10. North Carolina State
11. Southern Illinois
12. Texas A&M
13. Iona
14. Northwestern State
15. Pennsylvania
16. Southern
Minneapolis
1. Villanova
2. Ohio State
3. Florida
4. Boston College
5. Nevada
6. Oklahoma
7. Georgetown
8. Arizona
9. Wisconsin
10. Northern Iowa
11. UW-Milwaukee
12. Montana
13. Pacific
14. South Alabama
15. Davidson
16. Monmouth
Oakland
1. Memphis
2. UCLA
3. Gonzaga
4. Kansas
5. Pittsburgh
6. Indiana
7. Marquette
8. Arkansas
9. Bucknell
10. Alabama
11. San Diego State
12. Kent State
13. Bradley
14. Xavier
15. Belmont
16. Oral Roberts
Washington DC
1. Connecticut
2. Tennessee
3. North Carolina
4. Illinois
5. Washington
6. Michigan State
7. Wichita State
8. Kentucky
9. UAB
10. Seton Hall
11. George Mason
12. Utah State
13. Air Force
14. Murray State
15. Winthrop
16. Albany
Here is my picks:
Sweet Sixteen:
Atlanta Regional: Duke, Texas, West Virginia, Texas aTm,
Oakland Regional: Memphis, Kansas, Indiana, UCLA,
Minneapolis: Villinova, Boston College, Florida, Ohio State
Washington D.C.: Connecticut, Illinois, North Carolina, Tennessee
Elite Eight:
Atlanta: Duke and Texas
Oakland: Kansas and UCLA
Minneapolis: Ohio State and Boston College
Washington D.C.: Connecticut and North Carolina
Final Four:
Atlanta: Texas
Okland: Kansas
Minneapolis: Ohio State
Washington D.C. Connecticut
Championship Game:
Texas over Connecticut
So who do you think will take it all???
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Your taking it to literally. Obviously, a marching band couldn't compete in DCI. It's easier to see the comparison Xenon is making if you turn the situation around. If a drum corps, Carolina Crown for example, were to compete in a BOA event , do you think they would get first by a huge margine? It is very possible that they would get first, but there are many talented bands in Texas and other states that could give them a run for there money.
I am not taking it too literally. If Crown was to compete at BOA event, they would blow away everyone. They play so in balance, so in-tune, with so much finesse (as do the other "top" corps) that not a single high school band could touch them. I see where Xenon is coming from. That is why there is exhibition groups at BOA. That is why groups like UT at Austin and Arlington are there to showcase what is to be on the next level of music education and what can occur. I mean, come on, if UT was to compete with Ronald Reagan and Carmel (if some rules were broken--as in the ones dealing with only high school bands can compete), what do you think would happen?
I don't think so; drum corps even of that caliber are clearly far advanced compared to even the strongest high school bands. How can you possibly deny that? There's a reason they are shown on ESPN and bands aren't. I mean, it's really no competition; the upper parts of DCI are just plain a different caliber from high school bands. -
There are quite a few Highschool bands that I'm pretty sure could make DCI World Finals.
I am pretty sure that not a single high school marching band would DCI WORLD FINALS because of the simple thing called a woodwind player.
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Sorry, you are right. None of them made top 3 at reigon or top 2 at orchestra though. It was just that the 1st and 2nd bssn had to pick which tracks they wanted to go on. Sorry!
Area:
3rd-Nick
4th-Another CP student
Region Orchestra:
2nd-Nick
3rd-The same CP student
Just trying to give accurate information.
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lol---my bad.
Yes---they are the only corps to never miss Finals.