Fair Judges

[westtexasparent]

To all of the bands that put in hours on in of practice to be judged from a blinded eye and when it comes to getting judged it seems that the bands that actual get to deserve to go to state always get passed by, let me explain, this past weekend 13 bands traveled to El Paso for 6A Area, they only picked two bands out of 13 to move forward to state, we witnessed one of the two bands moving on to state props falling down, players out of step and falling, and color guard dropping flags, and can barely hear the band half the time, whereas the two bands right before them had some flaws but at least you could hear them.  If you look at the score cards from  the judges they are all over the place on the placement.  I feel this isn't fair nor right.  I feel the UIL needs to review the recordings of the performances from Saturday and make there decision from a unbias, these kids have worked to hard to just turn their shoulder on them. Hopefully someone will see this before its to late and the bands that actually that deserve to move forward does. 

[Fanboy]

You’re too funny. Ain’t gonna happen. Because you know what? Judging bands is subjective. And just as many people think your opinion isn’t right either. But you said it on a message board so you must be right. 

[westtexasparent]

I’m not just making this up you can look up the results from the weekend and look for yourself.

[Fanboy]

Again, you think your opinion is fact but not the opinion of the judge you disagree with. Get over it. Two people can see something completely differently. That’s life and it’s ok. 

[westtexasparent]

If I was was the only one that saw it then I would just say ok, as we was walking out of the stadium after the results we heard several people making commits about the same thing, no matter what bands we represent we need to support the kids, they see it, they are wanting to throw everything down the drain because the same bands keeps advancing, Not because of past history of the school but of current status. 

[cdreamiing]

What about supporting the kids in the bands that won? You’re basically saying they didn’t deserve to win and discrediting their work

[westtexasparent]

I’m not saying that at all, when a band gets to that level of competition, the formality have bands that moves on should be decided on how they perform as a whole, including the props, guard, and even road crew, from the time the band enters the parking lot to the time they leave. 

[Time Warp]

Let’s clear up a few things: 

 

1. Props falling down is not the students fault. A prop malfunction should never dictate whether a band advances or not. If we went by malfunction of technology or props as a metric for advancing then some of the best bands in the history of UIL or BOA would have had their seasons caught short at the region level. I believe Cedar Parks front stands all fell down during region 2019, they won state championship. Using props as an excuse for why a band should not have advanced is an absurd metric.

2. Being loud \=/ Playing Well. Being loud is not better, see Carmel 2018. Not Texas loud but with a precise crisp balance. See Vandegrift 2018, very loud but lacking in balance in their San Antonio performances (They remedied this by UIL and cleaned up enough to medal.) A group is better to be quiet but balanced than loud and drowning out the woodwinds or front ensemble of the group. Also if you “couldn’t hear the band” the judges all the way up in the prsss boxes definitely could, check your ears.

3. UIL judges rarely look at colorguard. As much of a disservice as it is to colorguards even if a band had the most flawless or horrendous colorguard it doesn’t matter. See bands where the colorguards ability slightly does overtake the band like Eastlake and you don’t really see a difference in their visual scores because of it. 
 

4. Scores are all over the place. Let’s take a deeper look.

• Frenship who you insinuate was possibly impossible to hear and a mess had every single music judge putting them in the top 2, so the judges definitely had no issues hearing them at all.

•Are scores all over the place? Sure. Let’s take a deeper look. Every single band had at least 1 outlier in their scores. Sure. That is no need to so rudely and disrespectfully talk about these programs though.

Your rudeness has constituted rudeness on my end. Stop talking so much unnecessary **** about band programs and spread the **** love. I’m sorry but I care about band too much to have kids potentially reading these disgusting comments. Good day.

[westtexasparent]

Wow I’m being rude, when I posted this I felt I was taking up for the the other 11 bands that was in El Paso last weekend, I was not trying to not disrespecting either school that are advancing I’m a frenship and a PHS fan and btw the props that fell was from PHS.and couldn’t hear.  All I was trying to do get the attention to the scope cards because how can like 2 marching judges have a band at 3 ‘s and one at a 11 just as example. That’s all I’m saying, I’m a fan of these kids and even have a kid still in a program. 

[Fanboy]

Westtexasparent just stop. You’re digging deeper. This is not an objective sport. It is highly subjective. There is no way to have 2 people with different life experiences to agree 100%. It is what it is. But to complain because you disagree just feeds into the I have to always be right mentality. Guess what. It doesn’t work that way. 
Each judge gives their own opinion. I was an alternate to the All State band twice. Did that make me a bad player? No. It made me work harder the next year. By your logic I should have just complained until the process was changed to fit my beliefs. Again it didn’t define me. I got over it and worked harder.