UIL 5A Area D 2021

[Dave609]

has anyone gotten the schedule for Finals?

[Bandmanio]

1.  McCallum

2.  Hendrickson

3.  Dripping Springs

 

4.  Johnson

5.  Weiss

6.  Georgetown

7.  Seguin

[CCisd Band Parent]

8 minutes ago, Bandmanio said:

1.  McCallum

2.  Hendrickson

3.  Dripping Springs

 

4.  Johnson

5.  Weiss

6.  Georgetown

7.  Seguin

here we go again with area judging lol

[MikeKyu]

1 minute ago, CCisd Band Parent said:

here we go again with area judging lol

Why do you say that? What doesn't look right to you? I wasn't there. I'm curious.

[abtwitch]

1 minute ago, MikeKyu said:

Why do you say that? What doesn't look right to you? I wasn't there. I'm curious.

I'm personally very surprised by Johnson being below Dripping Springs, granted I only saw prelims but I thought Johnson was the clear favorite out of the two.

[lost]

11 minutes ago, CCisd Band Parent said:

here we go again with area judging lol

Not sure your first instinct should be saying judging was off instead of congratulating the bands that made it.

[Bandmanio]

17 minutes ago, CCisd Band Parent said:

here we go again with area judging lol

Did you see the shows?  Would you care to give your professional opinion CCisd Band Parent?  Like lost said, lets congratulate the 3 advancing bands and wish them well at the State Contest.

[CCisd Band Parent]

12 minutes ago, Bandmanio said:

Did you see the shows?  Would you care to give your professional opinion CCisd Band Parent?  Like lost said, lets congratulate the 3 advancing bands and wish them well at the State Contest.

It’s not the judges it’s the system guys, it just doesn’t seem right, having multiple different people put a score on the same scale just seems like the judges are bound for disagreement 

but ive always been a Mcallum supporter so I’m proud💅🏻

[Bandmanio]

1 minute ago, CCisd Band Parent said:

It’s not the judges it’s the system guys, it just doesn’t seem right, having multiple different people put a score on the same scale just seems like the judges are bound for disagreement 

but ive always been a Mcallum supporter so I’m proud💅🏻

Not sure how the system is flawed.  Care to explain?

[Euphonium44]

I’m proud of what Seguin was able to accomplish this season.

[CCisd Band Parent]

Just now, Bandmanio said:

Not sure how the system is flawed.  Care to explain?

I’m not going pretend like I’m an anti-Uil person and I will say they made quite an improvement to the sheets at state I just wish they would do the same to area sheets.

If you think about it, for music, 3 people with 3 very different backgrounds, experience, and opinions on how things should be done are asked to judge something using the same sheets, plus those sheets require soooooo much split attention of a judge. For instance they have to judge brass, woodwinds, percussion, balance, individual contribution and design at the same time. If those 3 judges were maybe split between some of those jobs it would allow them to evaluate each specific task better.

Like I said, it got so much better at state.

[SavageBevo]

Before I say anything and get called out on here, congratulations to McCallum, Hendrickson and Dripping Springs.  Best of luck at state.  All 7 finalists put on great shows, and it was a pleasure to watch - I truly mean that.  Band students have to be some of the hardest workers out there.  This is my first year as a band parent, and I've learned that Bandtober is a real thing.

 

I'm no expert and certainly don't know what details to look for to grade performances.  I happened to be going through the score sheet looking at the results - I'm assuming the numbers in the smaller boxes are raw scores from the judges?  If so, then based on just the raw performance scores, I see that Johnson scored higher than Dripping Springs.  But, since the raw scores by judges are translated to 1-7 rankings (7 bands), Dripping Springs came out ahead of Johnson.  Is this correct?  I'm not saying it's fair or not fair, and I'm sure there's a reason it's done this way (I guess to normalize the results), but I just want to make sure I'm reading this correctly.  The top 3 schools are certainly deserving of a trip to the state competition.

 

Again, congratulations to all of the bands.  It was fun watching all of the performances.

[Tubalord11]

I confused on Weisis 

[LostChoirGuy]

This is correct.  UIL uses ordinal placements as opposed to raw scores.  It is important to note that the judges are aware of this and only give the scores in order to place the bands.  There have been situations where judges give significantly different raw scores just in order to keep their rankings clear for themselves.  The score margins do not mean anything for UIL.

[bandperson1997]

Does anyone have prelim results?

[aggie1998]

Prelim Results included here:

https://www.uilmusicregion18.com/area-dates-sites-and-schedules.html

[Bandmanio]

On 10/23/2021 at 10:16 PM, Euphonium44 said:

I’m proud of what Seguin was able to accomplish this season.

Absolutely! Bravo Seguin!

[MikeKyu]

20 hours ago, SavageBevo said:

Before I say anything and get called out on here, congratulations to McCallum, Hendrickson and Dripping Springs.  Best of luck at state.  All 7 finalists put on great shows, and it was a pleasure to watch - I truly mean that.  Band students have to be some of the hardest workers out there.  This is my first year as a band parent, and I've learned that Bandtober is a real thing.

 

I'm no expert and certainly don't know what details to look for to grade performances.  I happened to be going through the score sheet looking at the results - I'm assuming the numbers in the smaller boxes are raw scores from the judges?  If so, then based on just the raw performance scores, I see that Johnson scored higher than Dripping Springs.  But, since the raw scores by judges are translated to 1-7 rankings (7 bands), Dripping Springs came out ahead of Johnson.  Is this correct?  I'm not saying it's fair or not fair, and I'm sure there's a reason it's done this way (I guess to normalize the results), but I just want to make sure I'm reading this correctly.  The top 3 schools are certainly deserving of a trip to the state competition.

 

Again, congratulations to all of the bands.  It was fun watching all of the performances.

As has been explained to me. 

The raw scores are not actual scores therefor cannot be looked at as "translated." They are mostly just a placeholder for the judges to remember the show's execution when it comes time to rank bands. For final  ranking by the judges the "score" is mostly irrelevant. You can't put any weight to the "score" portion.

[MarimbaMan]

Pretty interesting to see the correlation between the prelims placings of the bands and their economically disadvantaged student rate. The lowest disadvantaged rate out of the finalists was Dripping Springs at 7%, while the highest out of the finalists was Seguin at 61%. Though wealth is certainly not the primary factor in how well these bands performed (especially with schools like Connally, who got 9th at a 72% disadvantaged rate), it could play a role. Economic rates collected from niche.com.

[LeanderMomma]

I hate the tendency this time of year some people have of bashing programs that are successful. 😔 It really seems as if folks come out of the woodwork during UIL season just to berate the top bands. We’re better than this, Texas. Other states look up to us when it comes to the overall talent and success of our bands. Let’s appreciate that success and stop dragging each other down. Band kids DO read this forum and it’s horribly unfair to them to have to read this kind of rubbish. Keep working hard, kiddos. Don’t let anything stand in your way of simply giving it your all and doing your very best each and every day!

[LeanderMomma]

1 hour ago, trombonemom72 said:

We were completely disgusted by the double grand pianos in the CTJ show at TMC

I’m feeling kinda disgusted myself right now knowing that band parents are talking about kids like this. 

[BandFan59]

1 hour ago, trombonemom72 said:

This is so interesting, and something we have discussed at length among our band parent community. We were completely disgusted by the double grand pianos in the CTJ show at TMC (that school is 17% economically disadvantaged) when other schools just can't compete with those bells and whistles (which are inappropriate in a public school setting anyway, IMHO). From props to private lessons and individualized instruction to parents' ability to provide free labor to the bands, this is definitely not a level playing field. 

The CTJ band boosters and students work very hard to raise funds and put their productions together. Discounting their efforts as mere "bells and whistles" is extremely disrespectful to the amount of hard work, time, and dedication they put into performing their shows. They didn't get to the level they're at by buying their way to the top.

[MarimbaMan]

27 minutes ago, LeanderMomma said:

I hate the tendency this time of year some people have of bashing programs that are successful. 😔 It really seems as if folks come out of the woodwork during UIL season just to berate the top bands. We’re better than this, Texas. Other states look up to us when it comes to the overall talent and success of our bands. Let’s appreciate that success and stop dragging each other down. Band kids DO read this forum and it’s horribly unfair to them to have to read this kind of rubbish. Keep working hard, kiddos. Don’t let anything stand in your way of simply giving it your all and doing your very best each and every day!

I don't think that anyone is doubting the abilities or talents of the kids that compete at these high schools, or the hard work that they put in. Additionally, no one is arguing that wealth is the single determining factor in a band's success. However, wealth certainly plays a role in how these bands are able to operate. By dismissing this disparity, you are neglecting the economic imbalance that impacts the band community. As a current student that competes, I have witnessed this imbalance firsthand.

[josephbandfan]

54 minutes ago, MarimbaMan said:

I don't think that anyone is doubting the abilities or talents of the kids that compete at these high schools, or the hard work that they put in. Additionally, no one is arguing that wealth is the single determining factor in a band's success. However, wealth certainly plays a role in how these bands are able to operate. By dismissing this disparity, you are neglecting the economic imbalance that impacts the band community. As a current student that competes, I have witnessed this imbalance firsthand.

I don't think anyone is dismissing the role that money plays. A school's disadvantage rate and the role money plays is no new topic to this forum and I can guarantee no on here takes whatever program they're associated with for granted. It just seems so unnecessary for some people to express their opinions in a way that almost sounds like programs shouldn't make use of the resources they have effectively. To complain that parents are able put their kids in private lessons or volunteer to help and be involved in their child's interest. (Not specifically saying this to you, just talking in general). The reality is that the playing field is not level, but that is the reality of anything you encounter in life. 

I understand the frustration when looking up at a group that has more money and support, and thinking that no matter what you do you can't touch them. Firstly, never discount yourself or you already lose. But also, your experience should be based on what you've achieved and not others. I know a lot of us here try our best to support every band that performs and give standing ovations for everyone, regardless of what they'll place or how they performed. So it's also frustrating and really ruins the mood when I hear any parents in the stands complaining about how this band doesn't deserve their placement or discounting what they've done because they have more funding.

[LeanderMomma]

2 hours ago, MarimbaMan said:

I don't think that anyone is doubting the abilities or talents of the kids that compete at these high schools, or the hard work that they put in. Additionally, no one is arguing that wealth is the single determining factor in a band's success. However, wealth certainly plays a role in how these bands are able to operate. By dismissing this disparity, you are neglecting the economic imbalance that impacts the band community. As a current student that competes, I have witnessed this imbalance firsthand.

I wasn’t questioning whether or not there are certain disparities between some of the programs. I was stating that I find it sad when a lot of newcomers to the forum show up during UIL season seemingly just to make disparaging remarks about other programs. And there are a LOT of newcomers in the forum of late. Call me old fashioned or whatever, but I feel like someone’s first few posts in a forum about high school marching band probably shouldn’t be derogatory or inflammatory.