Omega Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I'm curious what the score cutoff was this year. I can't imagine Coppell or any of the other bubble bands not getting at least close to a 90. I would not use numbers so much as I would use margins as they tell the real story. Also, with the 2 panel format you can't compare scores between panels. FloMoParent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zqpper Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Haven't heard much about Pearland but, Congrats to them for making finals! Also very happy to see that James Bowie Made finals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILKINSON Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I would not use numbers so much as I would use margins as they tell the real story. Also, with the 2 panel format you can't compare scores between panels. Correct, as it was essentially two separate contests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarchingBandNerd Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Congratulations to all the bands (finalist or not)! As a former Houston-area band kid, I’m especially proud of Pearland for finally breaking into finals. It’s been a long time coming for them, let me tell you! Ronald Reagan has always been a favorite of mine as well, so the very real possibility of them taking the gold made this weekend that much more awesome! I haven’t seen any of the finalist band performances yet either, so I’m super excited for tonight! Best of luck to everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band2013 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I will say Round Rock had a great prelims run they deserved a finals spot. CR changed their show alot, which hurt them. For example in the ballad they removed the alot of playing and put visual instead. That made no sense to me, but hopefully they will learn from the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I would not use numbers so much as I would use margins as they tell the real story. Also, with the 2 panel format you can't compare scores between panels. That is true about margins, but unfortunately even with the two panels you have to compare scores. This is how they get the last 4 spots for finals. Avisshadow and whitewing09 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanBand001 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 When's the last time a band missed a normal regional finals but made San Antonio? Round Rock this year! Missed finals in Austin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmtb617 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Pearland!!! YES!!! (Minor boasting ) I’m proud that I included them on my “finalist hopefuls” list. Massively overlooked. Trainscapes in 2017 landed them 12th in Houston and 17th in SA. This show landed them 6th in Houston (and I thought it was deserved), so... So proud of them! Also RR in finals is making 6 Texas bands in GN a “pipe dream” more likely to come true. SpartanBandAlum and A Testing Trumpet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpresley Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I thought wakeland would make finals. Where did they go wrong? pearlandtubaDI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanBandAlum Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Round Rock this year! Missed finals in Austin. I think he meant before this year lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbassoon Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 When has a non Austin finalist made SA finals and DFW champ not be top half in prelims. Crazy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Yep. It's like a farm program. To my amazement, they strongly encourage kids starting in 6th grade to take private lessons. They line up the instructors and steer kids to them, carving out time during normal rehearsal or before/after school. Rates are fixed by the district based - typically about $20-$25 per half hour (not bad consider I pay $38 for half hour of piano lessons). The curriculum is coordinated with the directors. As far as I know, they don't do any actual marching performance in middle school. There's a middle school night, but it is stand and play. Around April or May they start inviting the middle school kids to practice with the high school kids in after school "camps." All that helps build excitement. I remember because my Class'19 graduate came home from a camp really energized about joining the band. Maybe other districts do the same. There's a lot of talk about how money plays the biggest part....I don't think that's true. Money won't build a progam...lots of kids being encouraged/taught by middle school/high school directors is just as important. As I've stated in another thread, the size of the program has more to do with a program's success than money and, as you say above, the extension of the program to the middle schools is crucial. That's where the HS and MS directors working to keep kids in band becomes vital. Combine that with parents who are encouraging kids to be a part of something special and you have a successful program. A good middle school retention rate will do as much for a high school band as money. If a band program has a huge talent pool, tryouts become serious business. The bands are able to pick out the best players and still have a large JV band. Bands without that depth struggle to keep up and will likely never see the success of the top tier bands. paulhhs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LostChoirGuy Posted November 2, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I thought wakeland would make finals. Where did they go wrong? When competing at the top, the way Wakeland is- there is no need to ask this question. It would be much easier to discuss what went right as there is much to be said about Wakeland's phenomenal show. However the judges must have found that there were at least 14 other shows in which more went right that they were able to reward more points for. josephbandfan, Band_dad_of_2, Avisshadow and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 A good middle school retention rate will do as much for a high school band as money. If a band program has a huge talent pool, tryouts become serious business. The bands are able to pick out the best players and still have a large JV band. Bands without that depth struggle to keep up and will likely never see the success of the top tier bands. One more thing....kudos to the programs that have made this model work. That process takes a lot of years and a lot of patience to pull off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david19c Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Anyone get a recording of Vista Ridge prelims??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 When competing at the top, the way Wakeland is- there is no need to ask this question. It would be much easier to discuss what went right as there is much to be said about Wakeland's phenomenal show. However the judges must have found that there were at least 14 other shows in which more went right that they were able to reward more points for. Great answer! To the OP, sometimes a performance is just not good enough. This is one of the hardest competitions around. Just because a band doesn't make finals do NOT mean they aren't great or that something went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHornplayer Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Any word of prelims results yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanBandAlum Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 When has a non Austin finalist made SA finals and DFW champ not be top half in prelims. Crazy stuff. 2014 came very close to having both happen actually. VR made finals after an 11th place finish at Austin (The last band before RR to do so), and Hebron placed 6th after winning in Denton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Any word of prelims results yet? Full results? Those won't be posted until after finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Sometimes we get tidbits of prelims scores here and there before they’re officially released but that’s rare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloMoParent Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Quick analysis, I don't know if any bands were changed to a different judging panel, this is what panel each of the finalist were judged by and Top 7/ Bottom 7 placement: Judge Panel 1 Friday Keller TX B7 James Bowie B7 Ronald Reagan T7 Claudia Taylor Johnson T7 Round Rock B7 Flower Mound B7 Saturday The Woodlands B7 Judge Panel 2 Friday Vandegrift T7 Leander T7 Vista Ridge T7 Saturday Marcus T7 Hebron T7 Pearland B7 L.D. Bell B7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex9809 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I feel like prelims scores and finals scores are gonna be an interesting comparison.. only saying that because of Flower Mound paulhhs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepEllum Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 People trying to say money buys everything, your top 7 and bottom 7 will disprove that instantly. FloMoParent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A Testing Trumpet Posted November 2, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Let's not forget that in a bubble with more then 15 bands (Cedar Ridge, Cedar Park, Coppell, Westlake, Westwood, Vista Murreta, Clear Brook, Lake Travis, John B. Alexander, Prosper, Keller Central, Oak Ridge, Timber Creek just to name a few) there is a lot of uncertainty with how bands are chosen. Ultimately when bands are so close to each other as they are here; it just comes down to what the judges see. Every one of the bands in the bubble are in the bubble because they have the ability to make finals. No one is doubting that. When all the dust settles though and bands are so close; it simply comes down to what the judges saw. When you have 14 bands to take, and ~25 that can make that top 14, these things just happen.It's not about which bands are "deserving" or otherwise, it's about how deep this competition is. If I'm being honest, if you score a ~90 at a regional there's absolutely no reason to say your band is "undeserving" of a finals slot. Unfortunately that's just not how this works. Many amazing bands can and did get left out. Not making finals isn't anything to be ashamed of. It can be really disappointing and pretty saddening, but its not a reflection of how good you are as a band. In some alternate reality, if the judges had just looked at different things this field could and probably would look different. I'm not saying that any of the bands that did make it in don't deserve to be in; quite the contrary. They are in because they are amazing; bar none. There are just far more amazing bands here then finals allows for, and that's why San Antonio is so infamous. Omega, Avisshadow, rdmmp and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmtb617 Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 It is unfortunate that so many good bands only get to perform once at such a massive event. They should be able to perform again. I’m in the camp that this event should adopt a semis format. ViewFromTheBox and BandDad4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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