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UIL Basically went back to what this Area was in 2017. 38 bands advanced with only 10 bands making finals, and then 7 advanced to 5A State.
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18 minutes ago, LeanderMomma said:
They are definitely very good but they are not really even close to the level of PDCMS. I like the show a lot and they are definitely a talented young group, but they are lacking the skills, sophistication and maturity level that Palm Desert currently just oozes with. Those PDCMS kids are truly brilliant!
I mean you right lol. I'm just impressed that again its another middle school dominating the divisions down there in Florida.
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27 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:
Southwest has very high potential IMO. They were a powerhouse while over at Area B, but once they got moved to F, they have struggled a bit. However, I have a good feeling this drop will be very beneficial, as they have dropped in size significantly since Covid, but I expect they will do very well here in 4A
Their 2015 show was really good. Deserved 9th place at State!
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I don't think Tarpon Springs MS Guard is competing in WGI but I think they absolutely should. I have been obsessed with them so far this season. They are currently ranked 2nd/28 in Scholastic AA, just weeks after promoting from Scholastic AAA. I can't believe I'm saying this, but they are rivaling Palm Desert Charter MS for best MS Guard. Their rifles are out of this world good.
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Lakeview Centennial tends to always opt up to 6A.
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2 hours ago, utee94 said:
*thorough
No not thorough. It would be throw in that sentence.
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5 hours ago, tastiestbiscuit123 said:
After this year's results, I think—and this is said every year by everyone—this year is going to be the biggest and most interesting year for Area D.
One thing to note is that 2023 was definitely the biggest year for Area D thus far. It was the second time in the UIL Marching Band's 46 year history that Area D sent 6 bands to State and the most bands attended the contest (this year, 32 bands advanced and attended the Area Level, 2021 had 31 bands advance but only 30 attended). It also saw La Grange and Venus High Schools' first time advancing to Finals and their best seasons yet (12th and 9th respectively.), Robinson Advanced to State for the first time in 9 years, Castleberry Advanced for the first time in 5 years, Springtown did not Advance for the first time in 13 years, China Spring and Alvarado saw their best finishes yet (1st and 2nd), and so many more accomplishments were made outside of the Finalists.
I know it's big, bold, and kind of high compared to this year's numbers, but I'm confident in saying that I think 36 Bands will Advance to Area this year. Area E, which has 1 less band than Area D (42 compared to 43) had 36 bands at Area, so it is likely. The reason I think this is because there were bands with their first Area appearance in years, showing us and themselves their ability, and even some bands not advance that almost always have. This would allow 12 bands to advance to Finals again, and 7 to advance to State. If this doesn't happen though, it would be a big surprise to me to see less than 6 bands advance to State again.
Now, for my 'insight.' This is for State Qualifiers and Area Finalists:
State:
Of course, China Spring will be a lock, but that and maybe Burnet are the only for sure schools. They've both made State 6 and 5 consecutive times respectively, and this is likely to be a continued trend. China Spring has a high likelihood of even being a State medalist next year with how well they've done in years past.
Alvarado and Gatesville are highly likely contenders as well. Once again, Alvarado saw their best finish, and Gatesville saw their third best finish, and even went on to end their season better than ever before. These two schools (one even being a Division 2) getting 2nd and 3rd at Area is just one way to show that Area D is changing, and I think these two will be spearheading this new era of bands. They're not locks like the last two, yet, but I'm sure they will be very soon.
Castleberry and Robinson are curious cases. Robinson has been an Area Finalist very consistently and close to making State every year, so they're likely to make it next year, but they may also falter and fall back to just a Finalist. Castleberry, on the other hand, is not as stable. This may have been their first time in five years advancing, but it was also their second time ever advancing (Robinson, for comparison, has been the State Champion 5 times, and have attend plenty more times than that). They did not attend the 2020 Area Season, got 9th in the 2021 Season, and 15th in the 2022 Season. It may have been an extended hiccup, but only time will tell.
Fredericksburg has got to come back with a vengeance, I'm banking on it. 5th in Prelims in 2022, dropped to 8th in Finals, and from 8th to 7th (State Alternate) this year, those incoming Seniors are the only ones left who remember advancing to State. Especially if we see 7 State Qualifiers, Fredericksburg can know that they have a high possibility of advancing, if they put in the work of course; nothing is guaranteed.
Springtown, woof. The audible gasps from both sides of the stands, kids and adults alike, when 8th place was announced has got to have hurt the '21 and '22 Area D Champs. I mean, they went from 9th at State in '21 to 15th in '22, but dropping from 1st to 8th in Area has got to bite. These guys are coming into the 2024 Season with maximum effort and will walk into that stadium on November 2nd showing those judges why they belong—or so we're lead to believe. Will this be just a fluke? A one-time mistake that will never happen again? Or, is this only the beginning? Has the King been overthrown for good? We'll see what the answers are in a few months.
Last little note is on the other four. Venus and La Grange might surprise given what I said earlier, but I'm not too sure this Season will be their time; I think they need another year or two to establish their dominance. I think it's going to be awhile before we see Kennedale back in the game, if ever. From what I saw of their new Head Director, she seems entirely able to take them to State, but the last two years have not been kind to Kennedale. Skipping the 2021 Season definitely hurt them and may have caused a comeback to be extremely difficult, maybe even impossible. Finally, Boerne: I think they're Area Finalists, but not State Qualifiers. Going into Area this year, I saw and heard so much praise for them, but 9th in Prelims and 11th in Finals kind of told me that maybe the show was a fan favorite, not necessarily a Judge favorite. However, making Area Finals twice may be the confidence boost they need to soar to higher levels. If one thing's for sure, nothing is consistent in Marching Band.
These are the only bands I think have a true chance of making it. Maybe Taylor will have a comeback after 3 years, and I think Jarrell got cocky and complacent and will do better next year, but I'm not betting on either.
Area Finals:
All 12 of the bands previously mentioned are, obviously, very likely to make Finals, but there are other players in the game.
Namely, Taylor, Jarrell, and Godley. All three of them were finalists in 2021, got 14th, 9th, and 11th in 2022 (only one made Finals), respectively, and none of them made Finals this year. Next year is what decides for the future for each: are they Area Finalists, or Area Qualifiers? I think, Qualifiers (maybe one will be a Finalist), and I'll explain why in a bit.
My wild card, hot take, whatever you want to call it, though, is Benbrook. In 2021, they got 30th Place (out of 30); in 2022, they didn't even Advance to Area; in 2023, they got 16th, beating 15 other bands. As I've said numerous times already, this might be a one-time deal, but I'm not so sure. Look at La Grange, who went from 16th to 12th. If they can do it, so can Benbrook.
Other than this, maybe Lake Worth, Bandera, or even Madisonville could shoot up there, but all three of them have been consistently in the teens for years. Wimberley surprised me with 21st, but they also got 21st in 2021, so maybe not too surprising. Manor New Tech might come back and have a possibility of snagging a spot after not making Area this year.
Now, I talked a lot about the 'New Era,' and how I think this year will play out given this. What I mean is the changing in bands. Now that the UIL SMBC is every year instead of every other year, and since Lake Belton left Area D back in '21, I think a gap has opened; bands have to work their hardest every single year instead of how it was for 3 decades with every even year (for the case with 4A). I think this was visible in 2022, but definitely evident in 2023. I think bands like Alvarado, Gatesville, Robinson, Venus, La Grange, Boerne, and even Benbrook are proof that the power of the bands is shifting. Another way to look at this is the powerful bands that are losing their power: Burnet, Fredericksburg, Springtown, Taylor, and even Godley and Jarrell.
2024 establishes the fourth year of every year State for 4A, and in my opinion first year of its normalcy, and and I think it will get the ball rolling for the next few years and how they will play out. I really do think 2024 has a lot in store for Area D, and I'm super excited to see where it goes.
I love this breakdown, but just one thing... Boerne is in 5A now so that automatically opens up 1 spot.
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2 hours ago, lost said:
Avon definitely in the bubble for semis.
Same thing with Carmel. I think they could make a big push into Semi-Finals!!!
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This has nothing to do with WGI, but I hate seeing Lumberton not achieving what they used to back in pre-covid years. Both guards had the 2 lowest scores out of any division at TCGC Langham Creek. I really hope that they thrive in the rest of the season. Hoping one of these years, they jump into WGI, as their director has WGI experience.
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31 minutes ago, LeanderMomma said:
I would love to see a separate place for UIL discussion as there are so many threads already. Add all the US Bands comps in along with BOA and it gets difficult to wade through at times. It’s overwhelming!
I was thinking the same thing earlier tonight when I got on here. It can be very overwhelming to have so many topics added at once. If TXBands could be similar to how Hornrank divides everything into its own category, I think that would be a whole lot better.
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There is a video online of Palm Desert Charter MS. After watching it a couple times, I can say they are still proving why they are in Open Class. Smaller group this year but I think that's better to then feature more moments. One member has several feature moments, but my favorite is when he does a toss and then a double spin around, very impressive. The flag work at the end is messy but still captivating. I noticed a lot more one-handed catches and the tosses themselves are higher up in the air than usual. (I don't know proper colorguard words lol). I can't wait to see the product fully complete and clean and with the addition of costumes. I believe they will do great this year!
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34 minutes ago, utee94 said:
OK so we had our big booster club meeting tonight, and it sounds like BOA centrally controls the booking of hotels for each band, with allowance for stated preferences. I thought @LeanderMomma would be happy to hear that Leander and CP are using the same booking company and will be effectively traveling as one big happy family. We know several families in the Leander band so that should be a lot of fun. Stated hotel preference from our booking agent is the Hyatt Regency, and they want parents to book in the same block as their band so that bit will be taken care of for us, all we have to book are the flights.
But one thing that is confusing to me-- according to the itinerary, we're not traveling from Austin to Indianapolis until Thursday 11/14 and wouldn't be available to perform until Friday 11/15. But last year I thought prelims were on Thursday. So I'm not sure how that's supposed to work...
Prelims is on Thursday and Friday with Semi's starting at like 6 or 7am on Saturday with Finals that night.
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9 minutes ago, LeanderMomma said:
What even is ATSSB?
Association of Texas Small School Bands
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This is going to be more personal but when Lumberton made 5A State back in 2017 was a huge comeback. Last time Lumberton advanced was all the way back in 1980 where they placed 7th/25 at 4A State (Top 5 Advanced to Finals). Between 1980 and 2017, Lumberton was very consistent at region but always failed to advance from Area to State, though placed State Alternate or the next spot out quite a bit. It really wasn't until the horrible tragedy of 2016 & 2017 that occurred, when Lumberton started getting that traction to advance. In 2016, we had a band parent steal and use over $70,000 from us. It was a complete slap to our face however being the Mighty Raider Band from Lumberton, we did not stop. We used that setback to fuel us for the remainder of the year plus the years to come. We all know what happened in August of 2017, Hurricane Harvey. Like many cities and towns in SETX, over half of the town lost everything (I believe at least 1/4th, maybe even 1/2 of the band had lost everything) however that again, did not stop us. We continued all season long til Area where we placed 3rd/38 in Prelims, then 5th/10 in Finals, (Top 7 went to State that year in Area E). I cannot tell yall how ecstatic we were on our advancement to State. Even though we would eventually place 30th/35, it was still an incredible achievement to have finally been a state ranked band. Fast forward 7 years, and Lumberton has advanced to State every eligible year yet. I will forever always remember those moments in the program that truly made us the Mighty Raider Band from tiny SETX Town, Lumberton.
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1 hour ago, lost said:Round Rock surprised a few when they came back and made both San Antonio and national finals in 2019 after missing early season in Austin.
I remember when Round Rock didn't make BOA Austin Finals that year. People automatically started writing them off of National Finals. So happy that RR proved everyone wrong!
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12 hours ago, utee94 said:
Cedar Park has been a couple of times.
Went in 2010 and got 10th place in Finals. And in 2016 took 5th in Finals.
Why did you laugh at my post to then basically copy and say the exact stuff I said?
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29 minutes ago, clarinetistkai05 said:
I really want the Leander, Rouse, and Cedar Park to go to GN! It would be so cool to actually be able to see Leander make the return while Cedar Park (maybe their first, I don’t remember) and Rouse (first time) also attend! I know Wylie is confirmed for GN, and maybe Friendswood based off what I’ve been hearing, but I can’t wait to see who else goes!
As for my eventual alma mater, Forney, it’s definitely happening in a few years. I can’t wait for the eventual trip I’ll be making to see them!
Cedar Park has been to Nationals twice (2010 & 2016) and has made finals both times. 10th & 5th respectfully.
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7 hours ago, bandnerd310 said:
Does anyone know if there was a multicam or any NFHS vid of SS from state?
Couldn't find either but do know of this one from a person in the stands during Prelims.
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5 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:
I don't know why I did this.....
and yeah, I think Pine Tree, assuming they hold up to the successful season they had, I think they will be constant advancers each year, much like what happened with Sulpher Springs when they dropped down to 4A. I could Lumberton or Bridge City taking the last spot between the two, maybe Paris drops out, but they've been really strong post-Covid.
I think Pine Tree will have some success like Sulphur Springs. I dont think they will be State Finals worthy but definitely State advancing worthy. I also think they will join in the fight for 3rd - 6th at Area along with L-Town, BC, Paris.
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6 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:
Early preds in no order: Pine Tree, Sulphur Springs, North Lamar, Lumbertown, Paris
Interesting that you put out Bridge City. and why Lumbertown? lol
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5 hours ago, Sideswiperr said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t they in area I 5a?
I believe so
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1 hour ago, viejo said:
Area C next year is definitely going to change with Pine Tree coming into the mix
With Splendora and West Fork moving up to 5A and Liberty-Eylau dropping to 3A, Area C is definitely going to be different for sure.
Open Class Bands for 4A Area C
- Bridge City
- Hamshire-Fannett
- Hargrave
- Jasper
- Little Cypress-Mauriceville
- Liberty
- Livingston
- Lumberton
- North Lamar
- Paris
- Pine Tree (5A to 4A)
- Pleasant Grove
- Shepherd (3A to 4A)
- Silsbee
- Sulphur Springs
- Tarkington (3A to 4A)
- West Orange-Stark
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On 12/6/2023 at 12:56 PM, LKendrick said:
Pine Tree submitted enrollment in the 1,250s so they'll almost assuredly move down. They should compete very well in 4A, really enjoyed their show this year and seems like they are on an upswing.
And with that, Sulphur Springs submitted 1,290. Looks like they are moving back up.
UIL 4A Area C 2024
in UIL: Upcoming Contests
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This change has now caused Area C to be even more competitive.
Region 3 (7)-
Caddo Mills HS
Canton HS
Kemp HS
Mabank HS
Quinlan Ford HS
Sunnyvale HS
Wills Point HS
Region 4 (8)-
Gilmer HS
Kilgore HS
North Lamar HS
Paris HS
Pine Tree HS
Pleasant Grove HS
Spring Hill HS
Sulphur Springs HS
Region 9 (2)-
Shepherd HS
Tarkington HS
Region 10 (13)-
Bridge City HS
Hamshire-Fannett HS
Hardin-Jefferson HS
Hargrave HS
Hudson HS
Jasper HS
Liberty HS
Little Cypress-Mauriceville HS
Livingston HS
Lumberton HS
Silsbee HS
Vidor HS
West Orange Stark HS
Region 19 (0 Bands)
Region 21 (12)-
Athens HS
Brownsboro HS
Bullard HS
Carthage HS
Center HS
Chapel Hill HS
Cumberland Academy HS
Henderson HS
Lindale HS
Palestine HS
Rusk HS
Van HS
Region 25 (5)-
Bonham HS
Celina HS
Community HS
Farmersville HS
Van Alstyne HS
Region 33 (3 (Doesn't show they have bands))-
Galena Park CTE Early College HS
Houston Harmony School Advancement
Quest Early College HS
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Bands in bold are the current State ranked bands from 2023.
Bands in italics are the ones I think will fill up the rest of the Area Finals spots and also could replace any of the bolded bands.