UIL Classification Realignment Options

[mbui]

UIL reclassifies schools every two years. To view the entire breakdown of the realignments, go to UIL's website at: http://www.uil.utexas.edu/

A few notables:
Moving down to 4A is Cedar Park, Creekview, John B. Connally, Mansfield Summit, Vista Ridge
Moving up to 5A is Mansfield Legacy, Mansfield Timberview, Seguin

[Mellophone77]

It seems Wylie is moving down to 4A also, they were Area B finalist last 5A state year.

Which districts make up which Areas? xD Their sheets aren't band friendly =P

Edit: Grammar fail

This post has been edited by Mellophone77: Feb 2 2010, 09:40 PM

[I MARCH]

wow thats not good

[thePIXELelement]

UIL reclassifies schools every two years. To view the entire breakdown of the realignments, go to UIL's website at: http://www.uil.utexas.edu/

A few notables:
Moving down to 4A is Cedar Park, Creekview, John B. Connally, Mansfield Summit, Vista Ridge
Moving up to 5A is Mansfield Legacy, Mansfield Timberview, Seguin

You sure that Seguin is 5A now? I could've sworn they were still 4A.

[takigan]

Click on the link he provided. Seguin is in the 5A PDF under District 25.

[MansfieldLegacyB...]

You sure that Seguin is 5A now? I could've sworn they were still 4A.

Seguin High School, Seguin, TX is moving up to 5A. I believe you are referring to Arlington Seguin High School, Arlington, TX which remains 4A.

[titancoaster]

Area D 4A Marching Contest:
Dripping Springs (2009 4A State Champ)
Hendrickson (2005-2009 4A State 5th Place Finalist)
Hays (2009 4A State Finalist)
John B Connally (2007 4A Silver Medalist, 2008 5A State Alternate)
Cedar Park (2008 5A State 4th Place Finalist)
Vista Ridge (2007 4A State Finalist, 2008 5A State Qualifier)
Vandergrift (2009 4A State Alternate as a first year school, marching 50 kids)

Holy bloodbath Batman, this be a great contest in about two years.

[Mad.Hatter]

Area D 4A was already heavy - sending 3 bands into finals at State this year and 4 finalists in '07. Now we add Cedar Park who's been one of the top 5A bands, Connally who finished 2nd at State in '07, Vista Ridge who made 4A finals in '07 and then 5A State in '08, and Vandegrift who just missed out on State in their first year! WOW - it's going to be tough getting through this group in 2011.

[whitewing09]

Wow Cedar Park is going to pwn in 4A

[longhornsax]

I can't see Cedar Park not winning state in a couple of years...barring a total collapse of the CP program, 4A state will be a fight for second. Area D will definitely be interesting though. Of course 4A will, but it'll be interesting to see who fills the slots left open by the 3 area finalists in 5A that moved down.

[CPFrntEns]

Just a little heads up: I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive there's a UIL rule that says that when a band moves from 5A to 4A, they cannot participate in the first state marching contest after switching. What this would mean is that all the 5A bands that just moved down would have to wait until 2013 to participate in a state marching contest (because 2011 would be their first state year in 4A). The class of 2013 will actually not get to go to a state year at all in these programs. Again, I may be wrong, but I heard this from a very reliable source, so I highly doubt it.

[longhornsax]

I have actually never heard that rule, and find it kind of hard to believe...but I've been wrong before.

[mbui]

Just a little heads up: I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive there's a UIL rule that says that when a band moves from 5A to 4A, they cannot participate in the first state marching contest after switching. What this would mean is that all the 5A bands that just moved down would have to wait until 2013 to participate in a state marching contest (because 2011 would be their first state year in 4A). The class of 2013 will actually not get to go to a state year at all in these programs. Again, I may be wrong, but I heard this from a very reliable source, so I highly doubt it.

I do not believe there is a rule in place that says if you switch classes after realignment, you are not allowed to participate in State that year.

For example:
Cedar Park won UIL 4A State in 2001 and participated in UIL 5A State in 2002.
Richland won UIL 4A State in 2003 and participated in UIL 5A State in 2004.

I realize these two schools moved up and not down a class but it wouldn't make sense if there was a such rule.

[CPFrntEns]

I know, it wouldn't make sense at all, but this person definately knows what they're talking about. And from what I understand it only applies when a band moves from 5A to 4A.

[titancoaster]

It would have to be a recently passed rule because Richland was a 5A in 2001, but moved down for the 2002/2003 (and won 4A state), and then moved back up to 5A the following year. Oh and in talking with the Connally directors at TMEA, they are fully expecting to compete at Area in 2011.

This post has been edited by titancoaster: Feb 18 2010, 10:19 PM

[CPFrntEns]

Hmmm... after doing a little research I also found an example of a 5A band that moved down to 4A and competed the next year: Hays in 06 (competed in Area in 07). Maybe I am wrong... I'll see if I can figure this out.

[titancoaster]

You are right, I forgot about them, but yeah they competed right after moving down. I also skimmed the rules for UIL marching contests for the 08-09 allignment years and there is not anything mention about ineligibility due to change in classifications.

[MaverickBand15]

It will be interesting to see how the AREA D 5A competition will now pan out. Cause now bands like Leander, McNeil, Round Rock, and etc will really be stepping up their games to clinch those finals/state spots.

This post has been edited by MaverickBand15: Feb 20 2010, 08:20 AM

[whitewing09]

If I'm remember correctly 2006 Leader was close to making state? Georgetown was also in the running... It's hard to say because there are sooo many good bands in that area

[MaverickBand15]

Yea Leander came pretty close, and I think McNeil will have a shot just based on their show next year. Remember Vista ridge and CP both went to state last time.

[Xenon]

Just a little heads up: I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive there's a UIL rule that says that when a band moves from 5A to 4A, they cannot participate in the first state marching contest after switching. What this would mean is that all the 5A bands that just moved down would have to wait until 2013 to participate in a state marching contest (because 2011 would be their first state year in 4A). The class of 2013 will actually not get to go to a state year at all in these programs. Again, I may be wrong, but I heard this from a very reliable source, so I highly doubt it.

That is absolutely not a rule. Perhaps the rule you are thinking of is the one where if you don't adhere to the UIL Marching 8-hour Rule in a non-State year, then you are not allowed to advance to State in the State year even if you adhere to the UIL Marching 8-hour Rule in the State year.

[Montoya]

That is absolutely not a rule. Perhaps the rule you are thinking of is the one where if you don't adhere to the UIL Marching 8-hour Rule in a non-State year, then you are not allowed to advance to State in the State year even if you adhere to the UIL Marching 8-hour Rule in the State year.

Now, now Dan... you know better than to not trust high school kids when it comes to BOA, UIL, WGI, DCI rules! If he/she says it's so, it must be so!!

Besides... they probably heard it from a classmate who was in band class the day their director's student teacher was telling the drum major to go and ask the band president the URL for the 4A/5A stuff. They just foolishly heard UIL!

[takigan]

If I'm remember correctly 2006 Leander was close to making state? Georgetown was also in the running... It's hard to say because there are sooo many good bands in that area

2006 was a great year for Georgetown. 4th in Area D prelims, PASIC champions, Lonestar champions, State runner-up in TCGC. But that all seems so long ago now. I think Georgetown will be in the running for a 4A berth long before they'll ever be back in the 5A game (the school is gradually splitting and will eventually become 2 separate High Schools). They don't have really anything to look forward to with the way they performed last season and how their staff lineup is a constantly revolving door. They lost Kevin Rabon who was the lifeblood of their '06 and '07 successes, and Paul Pape and Tyler Dempsey are now both at Cedar Park. So, what was once a drumline that could go to head to toe with drumlines like Marcus, Colleyville Heritage, Fossil Ridge and Round Rock is now nothing more than a shadow of their former glory. It's all kind of depressing for me as an alumni myself.

[MaverickBand15]

They lost Kevin Rabon who was the lifeblood of their '06 and '07 successes, and Paul Pape and Tyler Dempsey are now both at Cedar Park. So, what was once a drumline that could go to head to toe with drumlines like Marcus, Colleyville Heritage, Fossil Ridge and Round Rock is now nothing more than a shadow of their former glory. It's all kind of depressing for me as an alumni myself.

Just FYI Tyler Dempsey is at LBJ High School, and Not Cedar Park, and he teaches lessons at McNeil High School.

[MisterNick]

Just a little heads up: I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive there's a UIL rule that says that when a band moves from 5A to 4A, they cannot participate in the first state marching contest after switching. What this would mean is that all the 5A bands that just moved down would have to wait until 2013 to participate in a state marching contest (because 2011 would be their first state year in 4A). The class of 2013 will actually not get to go to a state year at all in these programs. Again, I may be wrong, but I heard this from a very reliable source, so I highly doubt it.

I think you might be thinking of Honor Band competition. It falls under that "a band cannot succeed itself as an honor band" rule. Lindale won 3A honor band one year, and the next, the school got bumped up to 4A, they still played the 3A honor band concert, but I don't think they could compete for 4A honor band.

As far as Marching, anything goes. Coppell won the 4A state contest, and the next year, they moved up to 5A and made it to preliminaries.

I may be getting my facts mixed up, though.

[bingogooberman]

I think you might be thinking of Honor Band competition. It falls under that "a band cannot succeed itself as an honor band" rule. Lindale won 3A honor band one year, and the next, the school got bumped up to 4A, they still played the 3A honor band concert, but I don't think they could compete for 4A honor band.

As far as Marching, anything goes. Coppell won the 4A state contest, and the next year, they moved up to 5A and made it to preliminaries.

I may be getting my facts mixed up, though.

I can assure no such rule exists. Newman Smith was 5A in 08 and moved down to 4A and got 7th in Honor Band and 6th in State Marching.

[Xenon]

I think you might be thinking of Honor Band competition. It falls under that "a band cannot succeed itself as an honor band" rule. Lindale won 3A honor band one year, and the next, the school got bumped up to 4A, they still played the 3A honor band concert, but I don't think they could compete for 4A honor band.

As far as Marching, anything goes. Coppell won the 4A state contest, and the next year, they moved up to 5A and made it to preliminaries.

I may be getting my facts mixed up, though.

You are absolutely correct. TMEA Honor Band has a rule against consecutive champions, but UIL Marching does not.

http://www.tmea.org/060_Band/hbrules.html

4. A band cannot succeed itself as an Honor Band This will include an Honor Band which changes classification.

[Nancy08]

If I'm remember correctly 2006 Leader was close to making state? Georgetown was also in the running... It's hard to say because there are sooo many good bands in that area

'06 was my last state year with Leander. We were first alternate, and even in '04 we were second alternate to state. I don't march with them anymore but I'd really love to see them make it to state after so many close calls...