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#21 AllenBandDad

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:11 PM

As a wise man once said, "I prefer clarity over agreement"....I appreciate the clarification.  That being said, a $60 mil stadium is the issue....it's the symbol of the issue.  As I stated above, why not build a $50 mil stadium and fund the fine arts (and basically every other school organization) for years with the other $10 mil.  The same issue was shown on Sunday Night Football...they had aerial shots of a couple of $50/$60 mil stadiums. 

 

You're exactly right...the issue is priorities.  I assume Allen Band has fees...building a stadium like that and then looking at the band and saying "yeah, you guys still need to pay those $$$$ fees to be in band", it gives the message to students and parents that football is more important than the fine arts. 

 

A couple of things:

1) Bond money built the stadium and the fine arts hall.  Under Texas school finance law, bond money can't be used for operating expenses.  Plus, the tax rate for bond servicing and the tax rate for operations are separate rates.  So, there is no legal way to take $10 million from the bond money for the stadium and use it to fund the arts.  And there is no legal way to use funds from the tax rate for bond servicing to increase operating budgets.  I hear what you are saying, but it's not as simple as you make it.

2) Allen's band fees are for purchasing equipment/clothing/trips, etc.  There isn't a blanket "band participation fee", and the district does cover the vast majority of the expenses of running the program.  The band boosters do a lot of fund raising for extras, as do athletic boosters.  From talking to people from other schools, I know Allen band students/parents pay a lot less that others.

 

Trust me, with the level of support that fine arts has in Allen, no one thinks that the district feels football is more important to the district.  With the number of kids in band at all levels, band parents in the district can make or break a school board election.  In fact, the school board currently contains at least three (and maybe more) band parents.



#22 Band_dad_of_2

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 08:03 PM

A couple of things:

1) Bond money built the stadium and the fine arts hall.  Under Texas school finance law, bond money can't be used for operating expenses.  Plus, the tax rate for bond servicing and the tax rate for operations are separate rates.  So, there is no legal way to take $10 million from the bond money for the stadium and use it to fund the arts.  And there is no legal way to use funds from the tax rate for bond servicing to increase operating budgets.  I hear what you are saying, but it's not as simple as you make it.

2) Allen's band fees are for purchasing equipment/clothing/trips, etc.  There isn't a blanket "band participation fee", and the district does cover the vast majority of the expenses of running the program.  The band boosters do a lot of fund raising for extras, as do athletic boosters.  From talking to people from other schools, I know Allen band students/parents pay a lot less that others.

 

Trust me, with the level of support that fine arts has in Allen, no one thinks that the district feels football is more important to the district.  With the number of kids in band at all levels, band parents in the district can make or break a school board election.  In fact, the school board currently contains at least three (and maybe more) band parents.

 

My apologies....I try to be educated about a subject before I speak on it and broke my own rule.  Instead, I spoke from a position of emotion rather than education.

 

I am much more educated on the subject now.



#23 FloMoParent

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 08:45 PM

:::warning somewhat political tangent but related to bands in general:::

Texas school funding and finance is a giant mess right now.  Too many politicians in Austin want to use districts like Allen as a strawman to make their case that property taxes are too high.  They fully ignore that the voters of that district approved the bond measures to finance those capital projects and ONLY the taxpayers of that district are responsible for paying for them. Additionally, recapture (what is commonly and incorrectly called Robin Hood) is dramatically impacting school district budgets.  Austin ISD alone has to pay over $650 million to the state in recapture funds.  Recapture funds do not automatically go to finance other property tax poor districts, they go into the General Fund. Legislators are relying on recapture to help balance the budget.  Those very same members of the TexLege who are calling for property tax reductions at the municipal level, have written in the budget that property taxes must increase 14% over the two-year term of the budget.

 

How does this impact the schools?  They must do more with less money.  The percentage of state funding has dropped to record lows while the number of children in schools continues to increase.  In Lewisville ISD, we will be paying $35 million in recapture to the state.

There are very few elected officials in Austin that are friends of public schools.  This isn't a partisan post.  There are members of both parties that are friendly to public schools and not friendly to public schools.

To keep this from getting too political, I would welcome private messages to discuss this.  Or you can look up Texans for Public Education (Texans4PublicEd @Texans4E)

Regardless, please vote.  Vote for individuals, not parties. 


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#24 AllenBandDad

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:15 PM

My apologies....I try to be educated about a subject before I speak on it and broke my own rule.  Instead, I spoke from a position of emotion rather than education.

 

I am much more educated on the subject now.

 

No problem.  School finance is an esoteric topic.  I think we agree, though, that any school district that extravagantly funds athletics while allowing fine arts to die on the vine are hurting the overall education experience of their students.



#25 GreedyGreen

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 07:29 PM

And this is where we start to meet some of the problems with federally operated education. It’s an ugly cross between socialistic policies and capitalistic policies that create so many problems.

#26 paulhhs

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 02:09 PM

The 60/30 split referenced above that Allen officials came up with accurately reflected reality. Although The stadium concrete issue was sort of funny :)

Remember when you turn the on the TV on Sat, it's Kyler Murray's mug you see; not 800 members of the Escadrille.

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#27 PSHSMom

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:46 PM

Ah yes, the Robin Hood plan, Plano has tried to get that reformed for many years.      Plano paid a recapture of $124 million this year.   Over 1.6 Billion paid into it since 1994, which I believe is when it started.   

 

And if the link below doesn't show you how flawed the system is....  well read for yourself! 

 

 

https://abc13.com/ed...or-it/4162905/   

 

I don't mind the concept of Robin Hood, but I think it needs to be revisited. 



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:59 PM

And as for the actual topic,  I think it is great if bands can find additional support thru their communities or sponsorship programs to help level the costs to the programs. 


They only thing I would say is I hope the Band Boosters clubs make sure they have very trustworthy individuals that handle the amount of money they manage now though.  







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