NETexasBandFan Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 With UIL recently announcing the planned conference cutoffs for 2018-2020, as well as a preliminary rank order, what are your thoughts on how this is going to affect bands over the next few years? Although I'm not sure if this rank order is official, it shows some of the potential changes. Some examples if this list is to be trusted are 4A powerhouse Princeton moving up to 5A, 3A Silver Medalist Farmersville moving up to 4A, Consistent 4A state band Atlanta moving down to 3A, and the mighty Waxahachie moving up to 6A. What do you guys think about what this might cause in the future state contests, and furthermore, what is your opinion of what UIL is doing by pushing enrollment cutoffs up? Edit: Also I just realized that this should probably go in another topic, but in a way this does sort of pertain to upcoming contests. Xenon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8to5brass Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 After seeing the realignments, I believe I saw at least 6-7 5A State Bands moving up to 6A. I am definitely interested to see what this causes, also Friendswood moved down to 5A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanderMomma Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Whoa, I just read that the 6A cut off is now 2190 and above. That means Leander is only 6A by 10 students! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Whoa, I just read that the 6A cut off is now 2190 and above. That means Leander is only 6A by 10 students! Richland back in 6A by 17 students....that was not expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelCulper Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Austin High also moving back up to 6A. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadisonBandMan1 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Completely off topic but it's snowing in San Antonio! The last time we got this much snow was in the 80's! LeanderMomma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8to5brass Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Richland back in 6A by 17 students....that was not expected. And Tomball Memorial is 6A by I think 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daysin Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Atlanta High School, widely known for constantly advancing to state in 4A, including making finals before, shall be moving down to conference 3A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 With UIL recently announcing the planned conference cutoffs for 2018-2020, as well as a preliminary rank order, what are your thoughts on how this is going to affect bands over the next few years? Although I'm not sure if this rank order is official, it shows some of the potential changes. Some examples if this list is to be trusted are 4A powerhouse Princeton moving up to 5A, 3A Silver Medalist Farmersville moving up to 4A, Consistent 4A state band Atlanta moving down to 3A, and the mighty Waxahachie moving up to 6A. What do you guys think about what this might cause in the future state contests, and furthermore, what is your opinion of what UIL is doing by pushing enrollment cutoffs up? Edit: Also I just realized that this should probably go in another topic, but in a way this does sort of pertain to upcoming contests. I could see Princeton becoming a 5a state qualifier easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan123 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 I’m surprised nobody is talking about these moves more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NETexasBandFan Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I could see Princeton becoming a 5a state qualifier easily Sadly, being in Region 25 they would advance to 5A Area B as of the current music region alignments, the same area with the Frisco schools that even Centennial didn't make state in, Princeton could do well in 5A but their area is very tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percplayer19 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Richland moving to 6A is a bummer just when the band was starting to settle in at 5A, but the band has been moving upward in performance but the area will be more difficult just to qualify for state. But coming off a successful season and hoping to keep building going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 What area would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
principalagent Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 What area would that be? Richland will be in 6A B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 If everything were to stay the same, Richland would be in Area B, which is where Keller, LD Bell, Coppell, Duncanville, and Plano East qualified from in 2016 (if I am not mistaken). The other Area finalists that did not qualify for state that year were Timber Creek, Haltom, Martin, Mansfield, and Haltom. With both Richland and Waxahachie moving up to 6A and in the boundaries of this Area, if things stay pretty similar and with the excellent performances by several of those groups last year, I can see lots of these groups being very competitive. I know that that last sentence does not make any sense, but I'm too lazy to fix it so try your best to understand what I mean. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think they could advance. I feel that the only locks for state next year from Area B are Keller and Haltom (after this season), LD Bell is likely but has been waning in past years. Coppell and Duncanville could go either way. I could definitely see them in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think LD Bell is a lock much more so than Haltom. Keep in mind that a single excellent year at a few BOA scored competitions does not always equate to a great showing at UIL the next year. I think they have a good shot though. Personally I think Coppell, Richland, and Waxahachie all have the capability to beat out Duncanville. Timber Creek had a break out year also this year and they were one place from qualifying in 2016. I'm excited to see what happens here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think LD Bell is a lock much more so than Haltom. Keep in mind that a single excellent year at a few BOA scored competitions does not always equate to a great showing at UIL the next year. I think they have a good shot though. Personally I think Coppell, Richland, and Waxahachie all have the capability to beat out Duncanville. Timber Creek had a break out year also this year and they were one place from qualifying in 2016. I'm excited to see what happens here. Yeah....I don't disagree with Cityscapes completely about Bell. Bell hasn't....quite....been Bell lately. That being said, they're a lock until they're not. Also, I believe Prosper is moving up to 6A....Prosper was great this year and finished 7th in 5A state. Haltom was fantastic but this was their first year to really break out and set themselves apart...next year will go a long way to see if that success is sustained or a one-time fluke. Personally, I don't think it was a fluke. Haltom is primed for some long-term success. The interesting thing about Area B is how many bands will make it to State. I count 36 bands in Area B...if 35 attend, that will be 7 bands. In my scenario, that's 7 bands (after Keller and Bell) competing for the final 5 spots...less than 35, and some fantastic bands will miss out. My opinion....top bands in Area B. Locks LD Bell Keller Great but not quite locks Haltom Waxahachie Richland Coppell Prosper (if 6A) Keller Central Duncanville My way, way, way, waaaaay too early prediction!! Bell Keller Waxahachie Haltom Richland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yes, I remembered about Prosper also moving up to 6A being in area B right after I went to bed last night and figured I would correct myself in the morning. That is three fantastic 5A state finalists moving up and Highland Park barely missed the cut off which would have been a fourth. Prosper grew so much over the past few years that they have nearly 3000 students now, so yes, they are DEFINITELY in 6A. It should be noted that Haltom is not new to being a top level band. I seem to recall both Haltom and Richland being regular state finalists back in the mid to late 2000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yes, I remembered about Prosper also moving up to 6A being in area B right after I went to bed last night and figured I would correct myself in the morning. That is three fantastic 5A state finalists moving up and Highland Park barely missed the cut off which would have been a fourth. Prosper grew so much over the past few years that they have nearly 3000 students now, so yes, they are DEFINITELY in 6A. It should be noted that Haltom is not new to being a top level band. I seem to recall both Haltom and Richland being regular state finalists back in the mid to late 2000s. I thing you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying about Haltom....this was a serious break-out season for them. Yes, they've always been a consistently good band but this year they took that next step....they went from an 8th place finish in St Louis in 2016 to medaling in 2017 in Atlanta. There's a big difference from being a "middle-of-the-pack" finalist in a super regional (10 points out of first) to medaling in a super regional (3 points out of 1st behind only Wando and Tarpon Springs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
principalagent Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not sure, but I think Waxahachie might be in 6A C. Would be worth double checking for Prosper too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 If all the boundaries stay the same, Waxahachie would be 6A B. Waxahachie is in Region 20 along with Duncanville which goes to B. That said, the regions and areas may or may not change due to some of the significant conference alignment changes. I would probably bet against them changing, though, since they last change was very recent in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band_dad_of_2 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 If all the boundaries stay the same, Waxahachie would be 6A B. Waxahachie is in Region 20 along with Duncanville which goes to B. That said, the regions and areas may or may not change due to some of the significant conference alignment changes. I would probably bet against them changing, though, since they last change was very recent in 2016. It is my understanding that areas will not change. As for Prosper, they are in Region 24 so they would be in Area B. B - Regions 5, 20, 24, 30, 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Area B is going to be even more of a blood bath than it was in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 My guess is that there would be 6 bands that will qualify next year, up from 5 in 2016. Coppell would be the band that I would add to the 5 already accounted for (Keller, LD Bell, Waxahachie, Haltom, and Richland) with Duncanville and Timber Creek the next out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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