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#1 NETexasBandFan

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:36 AM

With UIL recently announcing the planned conference cutoffs for 2018-2020, as well as a preliminary rank order, what are your thoughts on how this is going to affect bands over the next few years? Although I'm not sure if this rank order is official, it shows some of the potential changes. Some examples if this list is to be trusted are 4A powerhouse Princeton moving up to 5A, 3A Silver Medalist Farmersville moving up to 4A, Consistent 4A state band Atlanta moving down to 3A, and the mighty Waxahachie moving up to 6A.

 

What do you guys think about what this might cause in the future state contests, and furthermore, what is your opinion of what UIL is doing by pushing enrollment cutoffs up?

 

Edit: Also I just realized that this should probably go in another topic, but in a way this does sort of pertain to upcoming contests.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:27 PM

After seeing the realignments, I believe I saw at least 6-7 5A State Bands moving up to 6A. I am definitely interested to see what this causes, also Friendswood moved down to 5A.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:31 PM

Whoa, I just read that the 6A cut off is now 2190 and above. That means Leander is only 6A by 10 students!
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:50 PM

Whoa, I just read that the 6A cut off is now 2190 and above. That means Leander is only 6A by 10 students!

 

Richland back in 6A by 17 students....that was not expected.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:40 PM

Austin High also moving back up to 6A. Interesting.

#6 MadisonBandMan1

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:30 AM

Completely off topic but it's snowing in San Antonio! The last time we got this much snow was in the 80's!

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:46 AM


Richland back in 6A by 17 students....that was not expected.

And Tomball Memorial is 6A by I think 50

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:21 AM

Atlanta High School, widely known for constantly advancing to state in 4A, including making finals before, shall be moving down to conference 3A

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:01 AM

With UIL recently announcing the planned conference cutoffs for 2018-2020, as well as a preliminary rank order, what are your thoughts on how this is going to affect bands over the next few years? Although I'm not sure if this rank order is official, it shows some of the potential changes. Some examples if this list is to be trusted are 4A powerhouse Princeton moving up to 5A, 3A Silver Medalist Farmersville moving up to 4A, Consistent 4A state band Atlanta moving down to 3A, and the mighty Waxahachie moving up to 6A.

What do you guys think about what this might cause in the future state contests, and furthermore, what is your opinion of what UIL is doing by pushing enrollment cutoffs up?

Edit: Also I just realized that this should probably go in another topic, but in a way this does sort of pertain to upcoming contests.


I could see Princeton becoming a 5a state qualifier easily

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:49 AM

I’m surprised nobody is talking about these moves more

#11 NETexasBandFan

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:59 PM

I could see Princeton becoming a 5a state qualifier easily

Sadly, being in Region 25 they would advance to 5A Area B as of the current music region alignments, the same area with the Frisco schools that even Centennial didn't make state in, Princeton could do well in 5A but their area is very tough.



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:08 AM

Richland moving to 6A is a bummer just when the band was starting to settle in at 5A, but the band has been moving upward in performance but the area will be more difficult just to qualify for state. But coming off a successful season and hoping to keep building going forward.



#13 Cityscapes

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:41 AM

What area would that be?

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:58 AM

What area would that be?


Richland will be in 6A B.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:06 AM

If everything were to stay the same, Richland would be in Area B, which is where Keller, LD Bell, Coppell, Duncanville, and Plano East qualified from in 2016 (if I am not mistaken).  The other Area finalists that did not qualify for state that year were Timber Creek, Haltom, Martin, Mansfield, and Haltom.  With both Richland and Waxahachie moving up to 6A and in the boundaries of this Area, if things stay pretty similar and with the excellent performances by several of those groups last year, I can see lots of these groups being very competitive.  

 

I know that that last sentence does not make any sense, but I'm too lazy to fix it so try your best to understand what I mean.  haha



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:24 AM

I think they could advance. I feel that the only locks for state next year from Area B are Keller and Haltom (after this season), LD Bell is likely but has been waning in past years. Coppell and Duncanville could go either way. I could definitely see them in the mix.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 07:14 AM

I think LD Bell is a lock much more so than Haltom. Keep in mind that a single excellent year at a few BOA scored competitions does not always equate to a great showing at UIL the next year. I think they have a good shot though. Personally I think Coppell, Richland, and Waxahachie all have the capability to beat out Duncanville. Timber Creek had a break out year also this year and they were one place from qualifying in 2016. I'm excited to see what happens here.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:52 PM

I think LD Bell is a lock much more so than Haltom. Keep in mind that a single excellent year at a few BOA scored competitions does not always equate to a great showing at UIL the next year. I think they have a good shot though. Personally I think Coppell, Richland, and Waxahachie all have the capability to beat out Duncanville. Timber Creek had a break out year also this year and they were one place from qualifying in 2016. I'm excited to see what happens here.

 

Yeah....I don't disagree with Cityscapes completely about Bell.  Bell hasn't....quite....been Bell lately.  That being said, they're a lock until they're not.

 

Also, I believe Prosper is moving up to 6A....Prosper was great this year and finished 7th in 5A state.  Haltom was fantastic but this was their first year to really break out and set themselves apart...next year will go a long way to see if that success is sustained or a one-time fluke. Personally, I don't think it was a fluke.  Haltom is primed for some long-term success. 

 

The interesting thing about Area B is how many bands will make it to State.  I count 36 bands in Area B...if 35 attend, that will be 7 bands.  In my scenario, that's 7 bands (after Keller and Bell) competing for the final 5 spots...less than 35, and some fantastic bands will miss out.

 

My opinion....top bands in Area B.

 

Locks

LD Bell

Keller

 

Great but not quite locks

Haltom

Waxahachie

Richland

Coppell

Prosper (if 6A)

Keller Central

Duncanville

 

My way, way, way, waaaaay too early prediction!!

Bell

Keller

Waxahachie

Haltom

Richland



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:10 PM

Yes, I remembered about Prosper also moving up to 6A being in area B right after I went to bed last night and figured I would correct myself in the morning. That is three fantastic 5A state finalists moving up and Highland Park barely missed the cut off which would have been a fourth. Prosper grew so much over the past few years that they have nearly 3000 students now, so yes, they are DEFINITELY in 6A.

It should be noted that Haltom is not new to being a top level band. I seem to recall both Haltom and Richland being regular state finalists back in the mid to late 2000s.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:20 PM

Yes, I remembered about Prosper also moving up to 6A being in area B right after I went to bed last night and figured I would correct myself in the morning. That is three fantastic 5A state finalists moving up and Highland Park barely missed the cut off which would have been a fourth. Prosper grew so much over the past few years that they have nearly 3000 students now, so yes, they are DEFINITELY in 6A.

It should be noted that Haltom is not new to being a top level band. I seem to recall both Haltom and Richland being regular state finalists back in the mid to late 2000s.

 

I thing you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying about Haltom....this was a serious break-out season for them.  Yes, they've always been a consistently good band but this year they took that next step....they went from an 8th place finish in St Louis in 2016 to medaling in 2017 in Atlanta.  There's a big difference from being a "middle-of-the-pack" finalist in a super regional (10 points out of first) to medaling in a super regional (3 points out of 1st behind only Wando and Tarpon Springs).






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