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#1 killer9705@yahoo.com

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 03:46 PM

ive been thinking...since some schools get their PE credit through band....the band must do some kind of physical activity such as running or just plain marching

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at my school, whenever our director says to take a couple laps around the field, the PIT NEVER runs with us. They just sit next to their keyboard talking and enjoying the shade.

So how DOES the PIT get their PE credit?????

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 03:54 PM

[quote name='killer9705@yahoo.com' date='Mar 27 2009, 10:46 AM' post='72283']
ive been thinking...since some schools get their PE credit through band....the band must do some kind of physical activity such as running or just plain marching

For example
at my school, whenever our director says to take a couple laps around the field, the PIT NEVER runs with us. They just sit next to their keyboard talking and enjoying the shade.

So how DOES the PIT get their PE credit?????

it is the exact same thing at my school..the pit just sits there looking at the band like :o ...but all the pit people are going to answer...WE HAVE TO MOVE EQUIPMENT AROUND!!!

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 05:33 PM

Well, we do, you know.

Our practice field is 3 blocks away from our band hall, uphill both ways (literally...it's not much of an uphill going to the field, but the uphill back is killer). The tires on our cart refuse to stay inflated. That's one 50-pound or so cart (4 timpani, plus multiple stands, plus cymbals...) with flat tires.

Add to this the fact that marimbas are just plain unwieldy.

And then there's loading, where we basically end up lifting everything into the truck because the ramp isn't wide enough.

And, for specialty athletic feats, there's what I had to pull off last year: pull on a space suit, over a band uniform, in a minute or less, without anyone seeing you.

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 09:51 PM

With the way the credit system works in Texas, you would see a massive absence of pit players if they weren't considered part of the "marching band" requirement for the P.E. Credit. Those players would have to pick up an extra class just because they play a keyboard instrument and I don't think that is really fair. Besides, pushing equipment back and forth from band hall to practice site is a pain in the rump! Very few people have the physical patience to do that. Therefore, pit players can have as many Physical Education credits as they want.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 01:35 AM

well i'm in the pit at my school (on marimba)

and I actually agree, we don't do that much other than moving equipment
I'm not complaining... but we don't really do much other than load the trucks and stuff

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:24 AM

I was PIT captain for 2 years, and we ran with the band and did all the physical training with the band in the morning. + we pushed all our equipment uphill. I dont know about most bands, but we did tons of physical work.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:42 AM

Most pits that I know of do a massive amount of loading and unloading of anything that is on the truck and moving all of the pit equipment too and from the bandhall every practice. A lot of labor that other band members don't do.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 04:05 AM

this is exactly what i was talking about when i posted this......most (which means not all) Front Ensembles just move equipment...and to be honest there is no way in heck it even compares to marching a battery instrument. Especially bass 5!!!

in all reality all the front ensemble does is move equipment...now try marching with it on your shoulders. Or practicing in the intense Texas heat...in my school we only get one water break for every hour and a half. and that water break lasts about 1 to 2 minutes.

im just trying to prove my point

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 04:10 AM

i completely agree. moving equipment uphill is really hard, but it's NOTHING compared to what the battery does.

even if you run along with the battery , you're still not doing much other than playing hard.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:56 AM

I would say the battery is more physically demanding than pit, but the pit does go through stuff that is less than enjoyable, often, such as moving instruments a long distance, taking extra precautions for a large instrument, moving the timpani cart, detaching attachments like cymbals, making sure you don't lose small items like triangle beaters, loading the truck and unloading it, pulling and pushing the instruments up very steep slopes, being rushed to set up in a competition, etc.

Though, I do kind of like battery, because I kind of liked marching, plus, it gives me a chance to lose weight.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:34 PM

yeah... If you want to lose weight DON'T BE IN PIT
you burn about just as many calories as walking to the store
It's frustrating sometimes, but not very physically demanding

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:46 PM

this is exactly what i was talking about when i posted this......most (which means not all) Front Ensembles just move equipment...and to be honest there is no way in heck it even compares to marching a battery instrument. Especially bass 5!!!

in all reality all the front ensemble does is move equipment...now try marching with it on your shoulders. Or practicing in the intense Texas heat...in my school we only get one water break for every hour and a half. and that water break lasts about 1 to 2 minutes.

im just trying to prove my point

Your original question was whether pit earns their PE credit. As such, comparing them to battery is irrelevant. As has already been stated, pit earns their PE credit through loading, unloading, hauling, etc. Comparing the physical requirements between sections is fruitless because each section is different.

On a side note, bragging about only getting one water break every ninety minutes is rather dumb, in my opinion. It's not healthy by any means.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 09:11 PM

i completely agree. moving equipment uphill is really hard, but it's NOTHING compared to what the battery does.

even if you run along with the battery , you're still not doing much other than playing hard.


YES!i could not agree with you any more!you are completely correct young squire...your ideas and message was amazing.you conveyed this in a phenominal way!
PS:i love the pit :D :) :lol: !!!!!!!

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:19 PM

this is exactly what i was talking about when i posted this......most (which means not all) Front Ensembles just move equipment...and to be honest there is no way in heck it even compares to marching a battery instrument. Especially bass 5!!!

in all reality all the front ensemble does is move equipment...now try marching with it on your shoulders. Or practicing in the intense Texas heat...in my school we only get one water break for every hour and a half. and that water break lasts about 1 to 2 minutes.

im just trying to prove my point


This is like saying that a Trumpet doesn't earn their PE credit because a Sousaphone/Contra is heavier.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:34 PM

this is exactly what i was talking about when i posted this......most (which means not all) Front Ensembles just move equipment...and to be honest there is no way in heck it even compares to marching a battery instrument. Especially bass 5!!!

in all reality all the front ensemble does is move equipment...now try marching with it on your shoulders. Or practicing in the intense Texas heat...in my school we only get one water break for every hour and a half. and that water break lasts about 1 to 2 minutes.

im just trying to prove my point


Your point is what exactly? Pit percussion players do not deserve a Physical Education credit? And here I thought that people in the same program were supposed to be one entity.

Besides, I've seen some programs that have more activity going on with their pit players than with their colorguard.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:17 AM

Heh, maybe the Pit deserves their Fine Arts credit more because they play more often than the battery. :lol:

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 03:06 AM

Although I was in pit for 4 years in high school, I can (sort of) see where the original poster is coming from, at least in regard to the part about running laps. If the rest of the band must participate in a mandatory activity like lap-running, the pit shouldn't be excluded just because they don't march. For example, my high school pit practiced outside with the rest of the band, had the same number of water breaks, and we even marched in the homecoming parade every year.

But as others have said, the pit/battery comparison doesn't hold up; with all the different instrument sections, it's impossible to hold everyone up to the same standard.

Heh, maybe the Pit deserves their Fine Arts credit more because they play more often than the battery.


That reminds me of my "pit-mantra": since we don't march, we can work twice as hard on our music! ^_^

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:47 AM

If a school district that chooses to issue P.E. credit for marching band cared enough to start an investigation of the physical demands and expectations of every band member in their program to see if they're all receiving the proper physical development that the P.E. credit is supposed to provide, and in the process discovered that the kids in the front ensemble weren't doing enough to "earn" that P.E. credit and decided to deny those pit kids that P.E. credit (unlikely, as making exceptions like that just clutter up the system), I guarantee you that the "They move equipment around" argument would not hold water in defense against the school board's decision.

There are holes in every system, and some people just slip through the cracks....I'm sure the 90 pound weakling water/towel boy on the JV football team who rides the bench most of the season isn't getting nearly the physical education of his much more athletic peers. You just roll with it...
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (takigan @ Mar 29 2009, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If a school district that chooses to issue P.E. credit for marching band cared enough to start an investigation of the physical demands and expectations of every band member in their program to see if they're all receiving the proper physical development that the P.E. credit is supposed to provide, and in the process discovered that the kids in the front ensemble weren't doing enough to "earn" that P.E. credit and decided to deny those pit kids that P.E. credit (unlikely, as making exceptions like that just clutter up the system), I guarantee you that the "They move equipment around" argument would not hold water in defense against the school board's decision.

There are holes in every system, and some people just slip through the cracks....I'm sure the 90 pound weakling water/towel boy on the JV football team who rides the bench most of the season isn't getting nearly the physical education of his much more athletic peers. You just roll with it...


I dunno...some of the schools we stay at over summer have fields that are half a mile from their band hall. Moving all the equipment really is a huge workout...especially the timpani's.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 01:19 AM

Meh I did Timpani for three years moving a cart about half a mile with flat tires... I admit the pit doesn't do much marching, but I'd also like to add that we do provide a valuable role for the band. The pit has the power to clearly define an arrival point in the music. Regardless of their physical contributions to the program their musical additions are vital to almost all shows. My senior year I marched snare in which I was probably in the best shape of my life, but the argument should not just be limited to pits physical ed.
I've seen some schools with some shows where each band member covers only one square part of the field, or shows where the band plays and marches the fastest of 140 clicks a minute (Note I've seen LD bell do marching block at 240). Why isn't there an argument about the difficulty of drill? Consider this if an argument is made about how much a section of the band exercises there should be another argument about the distance traveled by each band member divided by the time it takes for them to get there to truly merit their PE credit.
The point I'm trying to make is the argument is arbitrary the pit may get their PE credit but you need them, and if anyone here truly feels that they deserve their PE credit just because they marched for a semester then continued to sit in a chair for the other, I recommend you get off your high chair and look at the difficulty of other high schools or the duration of their season in comparison to yours and then truly re-evaluate the amount of work you did. If there is any one else who's program has placed consistently in the top 12 in BOA and State I will be happy to hear your argument about why the Pit should not earn their gym credit, but as long as I continue to see posts with programs I've never seen at State Finals of BOA San Antonio Finals, I will regard their arguments as being unaware to what other programs are doing.

Edited by simply2937663, 31 March 2009 - 01:22 AM.





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