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#94651 Bands Missing State for Grand Nationals?

Posted by jarrettlipman on 26 October 2016 - 03:33 PM


Yes -- Claudia Taylor Johnson is only planning to participate in prelims for area. We have been talking to Dr. Kent over the last few weeks about the best way to proceed without potentially affecting other schools and it seems that was the best compromise.

We began planning our nationals trip during the fall of 2014 knowing it would be a state year but not fully prepared for the decision to split state into two days, which we think is awesome ... but makes for an even longer week for our band members and the potential for up to four days of missed classss for them. We also want our truck and equipment to have ample time to travel /  drive and with the potential for weather that time of year we really want our vehicles to leave Tuesday night and not mid day weds.

We love us some band ... but want our band members fully rested and charged for Indy. We don't go very often and want the trip to be very special and have them fresh for it.

We will be staying to watch area finals and cheer on the other groups and for future will not plan to do nationals on a state year again. We are appreciative of Dr. Kent's understanding and support and are excited for the weeks ahead! #teamTexas will be strong at nationals

Jarrett Lipman

#101044 2017 BOA San Antonio Super Regionals Predictions

Posted by AvonDad on 07 November 2017 - 04:28 PM

It's been not quite a week and over 2300 miles later, our San Antonio adventure has ended.  I have been a reader of TXBands for a few years, but decided to actually "join" this year after getting the details that we were heading to Texas.  I needed to brush up on all the bands down there as I knew it was going to a great competition, but didn't realize how good.  I knew of a few bands after seeing them at LOS for GN and from "that" video site.  I already had a favorite show from there, Reagan's Beyond Perimeters.  I had no idea what UIL was, "8 Hr rule" or "non state year".  Its been quite a learning experience. Thanks for the encouragement from a private message to share my thoughts on the forums.  
Our days in SA have created memories to last a lifetime.  We were welcomed warmly everywhere we went. As my wife and I got to experience the Riverwalk. We had band parents from all over stop and greet us and chat for a few minutes.  For me, the band nerd, I found it very interesting to pass road signs like Round Rock and Leander, places I knew from band names, then see show shirts with all the great Texas bands everywhere.  Not just a couple here and there as I have seen at GN, but they were everywhere.   
Our kiddo had a blast. After some touring in Dallas and practice at Birdville, Flower Mound treated them very well with dinner and some fun times.  Friendships were made.  We recieved an odd text from our kiddo on friday morning that they beat Flower Mound!?!? followed by "...in tug of war".  After practicing at the Alamo Stadium they actually got to go to Prelims and just sit and watch some of the competition on Friday.  With our normal schedule, they don't get to do that and see other bands.  CTJ blew them away and they knew they had to bring their "A" game, which they did they next day.  The competition was fierce as there were so many great bands bringing their best and I don't think you can get much closer from 2-6 place than how it ended up.... We can ignore last years GN, but we now hold the record for the highest score for 2nd place. :)  I'm not sure if anyone ever predicted the placements for that night.  I remember seeing a post about someone getting a chicken and letting them pick the prediction and it would do just as good.  I also liked the prediction... 1st - Texas band or one from Indiana. 2nd - Texas band or one from Indiana...... I did read where there was a concern about our kids since they didn't medal after the long trip.  When I asked our kiddo that same question, the respsonse was... WE BROKE 95, I'm GOOD!
My take aways.... 
- I'd would do this again in a minute.  Being a band nerd, its was exciting to see all these great bands together in one place.  The amount of work, time, committment each and everyone of these kids have done over the season in their programs is incredible and each one deserves their own standing ovation. 
- Cheering for you own band as they take they field DOES happen outside of Indiana.  We began to wonder after previous competitions where other band parents were much more reserved.  I guess we are just a little loud so our kiddos can hear us on the field. :)
- I was glad about our musical "Tip of the Hat" to our fellow Texas bands.  I don't recall Avon ever changing their warm up before, and especially having the kids to wave a thank you to the crowd at finals performance was an experience for us as well.    
- I still miss stuff when watching the performance and I have an idea what is supposed to happen.  I keep missing the horn toss!  There was a massive trumpet toss across the gym floor in our WGI winds routine last year that made you gasp, so yep, they practice that wherever.  
- We got to talk to people about the meaning behind our show and how its a testament over how the program has been built over the years.  Our kiddos even signed their names on bricks outside their band room.
- We left with beef jerky, fudge, peanut brittle and discovered Beaver Nuggets!
- One complaint... Lucas Oil has escalators. :)
- watching practice from the shade in 90 degree weather is more fun for the parents, than from the stands in 30 degree weather the past weekend.
- discovered the Dan Podcast.
- Leander, Plugerville, Round Rock, Keller, Vista Ridge, Hendrickson, The Woodlands, Flower Mound are some that I remember we talked with personally. Texas left a positive impression with us and friends were made all around.  We would hope to somehow return the hospitality someday.  
- ....and we got to see history in the making with that OUTSTANDING performance from CTJ! Hallelujah!  
Thank you again for your amazing welcome and now on to Grand Nats Y'All!
Edit: They posted a brief story behind our show this year.  I heard its a speech given to the kids each season and the meaning behind the bricks.

#100882 2017 BOA San Antonio Super Regionals Predictions

Posted by OneOfMany on 06 November 2017 - 07:58 AM

I know that there are a few people from Avon who have been following this thread. I just want to reach out to you and vicariously to the Avon Black and Gold and say what an honor it is that you came and joined us this weekend. Looking at your past BOA results I realized that it has been many years since you have missed out on a medal at any event, and I hope that this doesn't discourage you. Your show is fantastic and I am certain will be right at the top at grand nationals. I hope you enjoyed your time in Texas. I would also like to say thank you for what you have done to improve the nature of marching band in our state. Simply by coming this year, you fostered an environment of competitiveness that has pushed our "bubble bands" to improve in vast measures to keep up. In addition, you have given some of our good bands that aren't quite ready to make the trip or that don't have the funding to go to grand nationals the chance to see a truly phenomenal visual program which is rare to witness here. I hope that the band and all associated parties have safe travels home and I can't wait to see what you accomplish next week!

As an Avon mom, I followed this thread from the beginning. Until this weekend, I did not want to register here, because I felt this was a Texas site/forum. Who am I to share a view in something that is clearly not my space? This post, however, was the tipping point. Thank you so very much for your encouraging words to our Avon Marching Black and Gold family. You are correct: our kids are used to getting medals at BOA events; however, this experience is worth its weight in gold. Please accept our (more than 300 and counting, as I shared your post on Avon Town Chatter pages) heartfelt thanks to you and to all of the Texas staff, parents, students, announcers, etc. for such a warm welcome. It was both humbling and inspiring. 


If you'll allow me, I want to share a few other thoughts from the weekend:

  • Flower Mound opened their home to our kids. The kids broke bread, played games, laughed, and just enjoyed each other's company. Our daughter is one of many in a group chat with kids from FloMo. These kids became friends. Avon kids and FloMo kids will hang out and compete again next weekend. How cool is that?
  • Parents from various Texas bands made us feel at home and shared unsolicited encouragement when they saw our Avon shirts. 
  • More than a hundred Avon parents made the trip to support our kids. Many more wanted to go, but traveling is cost prohibitive. Instead, they sacrificed their own experience for their kids. Again, humbling and inspiring..
  • Now, let's talk about the San Antonio Super Regional. Not going to lie, I have never missed one of Avon's BOA events since our daughter's freshman year; however, this was beyond special. I finally understand that everything IS bigger and better in Texas. This was by far the BEST marching band competition EVER. I am truly looking forward to next weekend's Grand Nationals. Spectators are not going to be disappointed. This will be a showdown to beat all showdowns: Texas, Broken Arrow, Carmel, and many other fierce competitors from across this great nation. 
  • Avon Marching Black and Gold parents (for decades) provide a standing ovation for all marching bands after every performance - prelim or finals. It was so nice to see many Texas parents do the same. Talk about synergy... yes, yes, and yes... all of our kids work so hard.  

More than two decades ago, Stephen Covey shared the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. One of his principles - sharpen the saw - came to mind all weekend. San Antonio Super Regional brought out the best in students across Texas and your Avon Indiana friends, too. They know and observed first hand - when everyone pushes the limit, leaving their heart and soul on the field, the competition strengthens, and everyone benefits. 


Thanks again, Texas. Our family (again, one of many) will never forget this experience. We are #teamtexas fans for life. Best to all of you as you continue your pursuit of excellence whether in Texas UIL, Grand Nats, or in your preparation for 2018. Mad respect!

#94385 2016 6A State Predictions

Posted by bandobando on 20 October 2016 - 04:52 AM

In response to these "controversial" posts about Flower Mound. I can guarantee you 100% that FMHS follows the 8-hour rule. Do people really think they would risk the consequences? Furthermore, as NTXBandFan stated, the band simply learns/reviews fundamental marching in May to get them ready for marching season. It's a good time to start learning because it gives the band members a basic understanding of the activity before summer (when so many people are out of town). And they don't start learning drill until several days after August 1. (Keep in mind they have a competition band and a JV band. Summer rehearsals and the first few days of band camp are used to sort through band members and assign them to a specific marching band. It would be impossible to learn drill with more band members than drill spots in the competition band.)

Flower Mound's rehearsal schedule has been nearly identical the past >4 years. If they were "cheating" the UIL standards, it would've been uncovered by now. Nothing is different this year other than the fact that everything aligned for an incredible show perfected by a hardworking staff and performed by extremely dedicated students.

Other bands are doing wonderfully. But there is no denying the fact that Flower Mound just has an amazing show completely suited for them. And frankly, this isn't that much of a surprise; FM has been building its reputation and performance ability throughout its last 5 or so seasons. You can see their development in the competition results, especially since 2014 when they went to Grand Nats.

Flower Mound puts in the same amount of time as Hebron, Marcus, etc. There is literally no question. They're just an awesome band surrounded by other awesome bands. Don't discredit their success, especially on the basis of very little evidence!

#86554 2013 BOA San Antonio Super Regional

Posted by GR parent on 04 November 2013 - 12:53 AM

This Blue Springs parent had a GREAT time at San Antonio!  What they say about the Texas bands, is all true.  There were sooooo many awesome bands there this weekend!  And the fans were GREAT too!  So many GREAT kids and GREAT fans!  Thank you!

#105108 Area B 2018

Posted by meursault on 19 September 2018 - 04:35 PM

I really don’t mean to be rude here, but read through this thread. Does anyone else think it’s a bit exhausting how much two or three accounts are constantly trying to boost a certain school? There’s very little actual discussion about the Area for the majority of the thread.

Y’all had a great show last year and did well at the super regional you competed in. Let’s wait till your school has a competition this season before we continue to get crazy with all our predictions and debates.

#86397 2013 BOA San Antonio Super Regional

Posted by Jackson1 on 30 October 2013 - 08:48 PM

Not to get Doctor Phil"ish" but here is my advice for all bands:


1.  DON"T WORRY ABOUT OTHER BANDS! - They are doing exactly what you are doing.  Cleaning and polishing their show to put on the best product they can.  You cannot control that so focus on your show and your role.


2.  APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT! -   Win or lose, think about the support you have had in order to get here.  Band directors and staff, parents, student leadership, etc.  Your have an army behind you.


3.  ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE - Bond with friends.  Enjoy the trip.  Remember everyone there has a love of music and marching.  Break out of your comfort zone and meet other people from other areas.  You don't get the chance to meet so many other people from so many other places with the same passion.  Reach out!!!!


4.  JUST PLAY!!!!!! -  That rush of adrenaline you get right before walking on the field - Use it, harness it, own it!!!!  Play your heart out!!!   Leave the field thinking "I didn't leave anything out on that field and neither did the rest of my team". 




Good luck to all!!!

#86360 Forum Editorial

Posted by Danpod on 29 October 2013 - 11:10 PM


I'm Daniel Valdez.  I'm one of the Moderators here on Txbands.com.  You'll also see me throw it down on the TxBands Live Blog with Daniel Sanchez (Xenon) at the Super Regional this weekend!


I'd first like to say howdy to all of our newest members on the site!  We always have a nice jump in membership when Fall season starts.  We always appreciate people paying attention to the site, whether it is through our Forums board or our Live Blog.  We are completely indebted to our loyal members.  Your support and love really does make Marching Band Season that much more enjoyable!

Texas State Marching Contest is, by far, the most intense State Marching Band contest in the United States.  It's a big deal.  Hell, we're a big freakin' State!  Bands from all across Texas have The Alamodome set in their sights all year long.  That's the ultimate goal for the majority of bands across the State.  If we make State, we're golden.  The parking lot at State Contest is littered with cars that have State Or Bust written in shoe polish on the back windshield.  It's serious business here.  I totally get it.


Unfortunately, the spirit of sportsmanship and competition gets lost in translation on the Internet.  People say things that are really stupid.  People try to bring other programs down that they think don't "deserve" the placement they received.  People criticize specific programs to the point that the entire comment simply looks like garbage.  I've noticed this happening on this Forum for a bit this year.  I'm not really a fan of the lame comments.  Nobody really is.  I'm not sure why you would even hint that you are from a certain program while typing out hateful stuff on here.  Just remember that if your directors find out, we're not to blame.


If you've read this far, thanks a ton!  All I can do is ask you folks who wish to be jerks on here to think really hard before you post something.  In the end, it's just a contest.  Celebrate those who have succeeded so far this season.  Do not attempt to bring them down because honestly, you won't be able to tear them down from the cloud that they have built themselves with hard work and dedication.


Congratulations to all those who made the State Marching Contest!  I'll see you good folks this weekend at The Alamodome!

#86068 Band Parent Pet Peeves - #1 = Football Games

Posted by bandie on 26 October 2013 - 08:00 PM

On the flip side?  Kudos to whoever brought a busload of Hutto football players, in jerseys, to the Area D Prelims today to cheer on their band!  The parents in the stands were amazed and impressed!

#100758 2017 BOA San Antonio Super Regionals Predictions

Posted by AvonDad1971 on 05 November 2017 - 11:28 AM

Avon parent here.  Thank you Texas for wonderful hospitality, a lovely city, and jaw dropping competition!  Wow.  This is our first year in marching band and we had NO idea what we were getting into, but we love it.  The Indy super regional was dull by comparison.  Now if we can just carry the intensity y'all gave us into grand nats next week, we are sure to crush Carmel!  Hebron's sound blew me away, and FloMo dazzled me.  Vandergrift was soooo smooth, and CTJ...ok, I admit, I didn't quite get CTJ.  Maybe it was too much for this noob to catch it all.  But every show was thrilling.  Thanks again, Texas.

#97795 BOA Conroe

Posted by Danpod on 02 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

This contest will be super killer!  I'll be very intrigued to see how these Houston bands have done since dealing with unfathomable amounts of rain last month.

#95117 2016 6A State Predictions

Posted by justabandkid94 on 02 November 2016 - 05:16 AM

I know it's already been addressed... However, after lurking and commenting way less than usual this year, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed reading this thread.

Good sportsmanship should always be practiced, even if you're a parent. I'm not a fan of some of this discussion on here.Thinking back to my high school days, one of the most defeating feelings was reading a negative comment on my show from some anonymous internet person.

Let's think about this:

1) EVERY single kid works their heart off on and off the field.
2) if you identify on this forum with a band program and make a trivial comment, that reflects on the program. Whether you want it to or not.

From now own, use this thread to constructively talk about all the bands. I say this every year, but TRULY anything can happen come state. Fate will play out how it's meant to be, and we will all agree that this was an incredible season.

Think before you post.

#95013 6A State Bands Video Megathread

Posted by Nny14 on 31 October 2016 - 06:17 PM

I'd never thought Id hear someone say they wanted Hebron, Marcus, and Flower Mound to play MORE than they already do

#94999 6A State Bands Video Megathread

Posted by LKendrick on 31 October 2016 - 03:43 PM

There was a LOT of movement between Prelims and finals. Very....odd. How Wylie jumped 3 spots and North Mesquite dropped 3 is questionable at best. After prelims 1 point separated Boyd (6) and North Mesquite (5), after finals 4 points separated Boyd (6) and Wylie (5) I am sorry Wylie did NOT play THAT much better and North Mesquite THAT much worse. Not to mention Boyd's final was also much better than the prelims and they did not move at all. But, unfortunately, it is what it is and nothing can be done about it. Closed door judging is always ify at best in my opinion.

I personally am tired of having, in the case of this year, 21 bands fight for 2 spots since it's a forgone conclusion that Flower Mound, Marcus and Hebron will always go.  Sad to see BOA/DCI style of marches bleeding into UIL competitions. It used to be about the music and the march now it's about flash and solo performances. Hate seeing bands who march and play music WHILE marching constantly getting beat by bands who march while a soloist plays and then only play half the music the other bands play. UIL has all these rules regarding music, how long, how much solo limits....etc during concert season but not during marching...why? But, again, it is what it is and we all have to live with it I guess.

Have you watched Hebron, Flower Mound, or Marcus objectively?  

Particularly Hebron.  I watched them last night and was absolutely floored at the musical demands they have while on the move, particularly in the closer.  Was like this in their opener last year too.  No one is doing what they are doing while marching, or a very select few.  I mean the woodwinds are playing insane runs on the move and the brass is double and triple toungjng on the move.  There is no lack of demand.  

Also on the 3 you mentioned, 90% of their props are either backdrop/stage setting or not involved enough with the drill that you could strip them away and the show would still work very well.

But those two things aside they also march and play like very few can.  You can hate the props, hate the style and hate the flashy stuff.  But when you strip all that stuff away they are still performing like the best of the best.  That is not BOA bleeding into UIL judging.  It's just playing and marching the best.   Give them a "UIL" style show and they'd probably still win.

I get the frustration.  When I was in HS it was ALWAYS Azle, Boswell, and some El Paso bands that advanced.  No one competed with them.  But the fact of the matter is they were way better and deserved to advance because state is the best of the best.  

No matter how you draw those Area lines there are always gonna be those bands that destroy everyone and someone is gonna get screwed.  It's just how it works.  

And in terms of prelims vs finals judging, of course bands are not gonna stay.  When you only have 10 to manage rather than 25+ the results tighten and there are no wacky lower than 10th judges that can tank someone.  Prelims to finals shifts are nothing new.  

#94929 Area H Predictions?

Posted by Chupacabra1222 on 30 October 2016 - 04:39 PM

As a band director in NISD at O'Connor I can say with certainty that the realignment was in the best interest of all schools in the State. TMEA decided to realign for the first time in many years and with so many large schools it's understandable why. UIL likewise followed suit and used very similar zones to the TMEA lines. In reality, these new UIL zones create closer proximity contests for most/not all schools and lessens the burden for all in general in terms of travel.
I applaud all the Area H schools and finalists, it was an honor to share the field with so many great bands. I wish the very best to Vandegrift, Leander, Westlake and Vista Ridge who will represent the Area to the fullest degree. I'm saddened that O'Connor did not advance for the first time in a long time, but I also think that as stated above the NISD schools and ourselves are stronger and will continue to be in the future. Best wishes to all bands at State and BOA.

Wesley Perkins
O'Connor HS Band

#86299 UIL 4A State Marching Contest

Posted by Xenon on 28 October 2013 - 06:39 PM

I am locking this thread for the next day at least to allow things to settle down. The level of antagonism against specific bands is getting out of hand and is generally without any valid basis.

#105043 BOA Conroe 2018

Posted by Varity on 17 September 2018 - 08:32 PM

As of now, TWHS Marching Band will be allowed to participate in BOA Conroe Finals should they qualify. The principal just informed the band today after school with the amazing news. We are overjoyed in this decision and in our principal’s debt. This also means y’all can stop writing letters and such. Go WOODLANDS!!!

#100748 2017 BOA San Antonio Super Regionals Predictions

Posted by LostChoirGuy on 05 November 2017 - 07:06 AM

I know that there are a few people from Avon who have been following this thread.  I just want to reach out to you and vicariously to the Avon Black and Gold and say what an honor it is that you came and joined us this weekend.  Looking at your past BOA results I realized that it has been many years since you have missed out on a medal at any event, and I hope that this doesn't discourage you.  Your show is fantastic and I am certain will be right at the top at grand nationals.  I hope you enjoyed your time in Texas.  I would also like to say thank you for what you have done to improve the nature of marching band in our state.  Simply by coming this year, you fostered an environment of competitiveness that has pushed our "bubble bands" to improve in vast measures to keep up.  In addition, you have given some of our good bands that aren't quite ready to make the trip or that don't have the funding to go to grand nationals the chance to see a truly phenomenal visual program which is rare to witness here.  I hope that the band and all associated parties have safe travels home and I can't wait to see what you accomplish next week!

#98325 Rankings on HORNRANK.COM

Posted by JeremiahW on 11 October 2017 - 01:44 AM

Oh my goodness. Remind me again why people care so much about these rankings. It’s because it has its own website, isn’t it? It does make it seem more official, I suppose. Reminds me of that Mark Twain quote: “Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.”


I also have t-shirts now! Put a logo on a shirt and walk around at band competitions and it makes it super official!

#94524 2016 6A State Predictions

Posted by SnareSnare13 on 23 October 2016 - 11:34 PM

I would like to bring this up because I think it'll help some people who don't understand it yet.

You shouldn't publicly say anything about any other program UNLESS it is positive. You, as an individual, wear a name that isn't yours when you walk around. You walk around with your School, and all of it's past years of success and failures and attitudes attached to that. So when you post something about another school, especially one that is so close and competitive as Flomo Marcus and Hebron are, you ruin that reputation that your school has built for so long. All of the sudden, because of what you as an individual said, you put an image on the rest of the thousands of kids that have worn the same uniform as you. So please don't be that person. Only post positive things. I saw that the post was changed to an apology, so I'm glad that he or she retracted their statements, which is good. I'm sure it's just frustrating to have another person running right next to them.


Moving on, this is an amazing activity because there aren't really underdogs. I know there are schools that are less successful and so on and so forth, but what's great about marching band is that you are placed based on what you put out there. No one else can affect your scores. Reagan can't affect CTJ or Flomo's scores. You can only push yourself and make yourself and your band better. So don't get caught up in what another band IS or ISN'T doing, because you can't do anything about it. You can't make them do worse, you can only do better. So instead of focussing so much on another school, focus on yourself.


I lived in an era where my school was one of a few extremely dominant schools at the time, there were always some exceptions but just hear me out. Reagan, Bell, and the Woodlands (Also Winston Churchill so four schools I don't know why I said three, in fact I should be saying 300 because that's what it always felt like) we were always insanely close. It was incredibly frustrating to lose to one of those schools, especially when I thought we were better than them. So I understand the frustration. Just use it to motivate yourself, not to post on the World-Wide web to see it.